I think Carlsen was perhaps thinking, like many people, that he would win just because he is stronger, and he underestimated Karjakin, who is able to play very well in exceptional circumstances (like his last game against Caruana in the candidates turnament).
The First Win Of Karjakin - Carlsen
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Nov 21, 2016
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dogensmoon wrote:
Calsen pushed too hard. He wouldn't accept another draw so it cost him. The good part for the fans is we will see (hopefully) some exciting chess as Carlsen must win a game now!
Most of the fans I've seen wouldn't know an exciting game if it bit them on the a...nkle.
The people complaining loudly about the draws didn't bother to see that most of the games involved material sacrifices, unusual openings, and dogged efforts to break the deadlock.
Today, Carlsen pushed too hard in an even position and lost. The fans saw that Carlsen was lost long before he did because they're all using engines.
If the fans want to be excited by chess again, turn off the engines and enjoy the drama of the games the way the players themselves experience it!
The next games may be cagey positional affairs as Karjakin tries to defuse any chances of tactical pyrotechnics that might blow up in his face. Those expecting wildly exciting complications are likely to be disappointed. My prediction for the next game is for slow strategic siege style chess which is not to predict necessarily a draw. One for those who dig Karpov, Kramnik and Petrosian, I'm guessing.
Nov 21, 2016
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Amazing, I have to give full credit to Karjakin's amazing defending skill and resourcefullness. I think Carlsen might be a bit gobsmacked by what's happening.
Carlsen's lost his patience and nerve. He should have accepted the idea that every classical game could be a draw and then just go into the quick time control tie-break where he is still the best in the world. Now he has to gather himself and dig out of a hole which is going to be very difficult. Given Karjakin's defensive skills and the fact that he won this game as black, the entire match could be decided already.
Nov 21, 2016
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I don't understand why Carlsen resigned in that position? Was there a checkmate threat?
Black can force the exchange of a Knight for Queen within about 5 moves. White has no answer to black moves like Ng4, Qg1, Nf2 without allowing the black a pawn to Queen.
Nov 21, 2016
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sohum3894 wrote:
I don't understand why Carlsen resigned in that position? Was there a checkmate threat?
Believe it or not, the engines found a mate in 45 (or 43?) after Black played h5!
It wasn't the number of moves til mate that did Carlsen in, it was the fact that he had run out of checks and knew there was no way to stop the pawn from queening without giving up mate on the K-side.
Nov 21, 2016
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richie_and_oprah escribió:
SmyslovFan wrote:
If the fans want to be excited by chess again, turn off the engines and enjoy the drama of the games the way the players themselves experience it!
This is one of the main reason why Svidler stands above almost all else giving great commentary for people that are fans of chess without pretense.
I totally agree with this. They're not enjoying the games, the ideas of each player, but only watching the computer's evaluation... "Oh, man, 0.00 that's so boring. Let's get +1.00, c'mon!" Pff...
sanjayrame wrote:
The first 7 games were drew but inn the eighth game, Karjakin managed to win and make the score 4.5-3.5 what are your thoughts on this round
The match so far has been entertaining, and the games have been very good. Karjakian has shown that he came prepared, and he has shown that he is a much better defender than we thought. If you think this match has been boring, then you dont appreciate chess.
SmyslovFan wrote:
"If the fans want to be excited by chess again, turn off the engines and enjoy the drama of the games the way the players themselves experience it!"
I have to say that I totally agree with this sentiment and I now intend to turn off all commentaries that offer engine solutions or suggestions in particular positions. I don't agree that chess is 'solved' by computers in any philosophical sense. It is way too complex and there are far too many logical possibilities in the game for this to be the case at present. However it does seem clear that engines can find pragmatically what seem to be the best moves in very many, if not most, middle game and end game positions. Like SmyslovFan, however, I'm not interested in these engine generated options. Like SmyslovFan I am interested in what human beings can find. I want to listen to or read commentators who are perhaps startled and delighted when ...h5!! is played, or alternatively find this move themselves (with perhaps the use of analysis boards but most definitely without engines) when the players have missed this move. This for me is what chess is really about.
I also agree with Diakonia that the match is not boring. I've found quite a lot of it so far quite intriguing. The only boring aspect of it (and this is less to do with the match itself than the spectacle of the match) is having to read or hear about what the engine suggests.
BTW, where do you find Svidler's commentary on this match?
The game kept me up until one am and was full of surprises and excitement. Next time around I think I will pay for proper live coverage. It would have added something to see the players body language at the critical moments and the time scramble. I agree that Svidler's commentary was again outstanding. His current co-commentator is not such a good foil but did manage to be quiet at the critical moments.
Nd3 was a lovely move, and played seemingly effortlessly by Karjakin.
I agree with Karjakin that with four games to go anything can happen.
Games between low-rated amateurs also tend to end much more often in win/loss results because players in this category so frequently make material-losing mistakes that result in obvious wins for their opponents. These often happen in the opening or middle game with the result that so many have little experience or competence of end games with equal, or more or less equal, material. How many draws do you ever see between low-rated amateurs?
Nov 22, 2016
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The 'Win' often goes to the 'player' who sees more 'Deeply' - But, even the games of 'Go'..{or 'weiqi'}, and 'Shogi'.. have their thresholds, {if further 'Up' the 'permutation' tree}.. where to try to 'squeeze blood' out of a 'turnip'.. has its' Own inherent dangers! o:
Carlsen has to produce a game with some imbalance that has the potential to offer him more in the way of winning chances. Karjakin will look for quieter continuations while at the same time looking for inaccuracies that might result from Carlsen's impatience. Promises to be fascinating.
I don't think he meant you specifically but rather you everyone. :-)
Calsen pushed too hard. He wouldn't accept another draw so it cost him. The good part for the fans is we will see (hopefully) some exciting chess as Carlsen must win a game now!