Who's The best Chess Historian?

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Batgirl.

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H. J. R. Murray
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A couple of weeks ago, I had a small issue with a game score in ChessBase that conflicted with a position from the game as published in Van Perlo's Endgame Tactics. I sent an email to Edward Winter. It took him a week, but he produced a primary source that explained the dilemma and confirmed the correctness of the position in Van Perlo (and the error in ChessBase).

If you don't understand what I mean by primary source, don't talk to me about who you think is the best historian. Your opinion is worthless.

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Contrary to anything suggested here and while I do write about some historical aspects of chess, I'm not a historian of any sort. 

I agree, however, with Ziryab if he's proposing that Murray is the most important chess historian ever.

 

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Murray certainly set the standard, although your articles are far more readable. Winter's stand in-between. Murray's attention to detail, somewhat better presented.

 

I am a historian, but a mere hobbyist with respect to chess history.

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Bobby fischer

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cherrychopper wrote:

Bobby fischer

no i mean chess historian not best chess player in history

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Ziryab wrote:

 

A couple of weeks ago, I had a small issue with a game score in ChessBase that conflicted with a position from the game as published in Van Perlo's Endgame Tactics. I sent an email to Edward Winter. It took him a week, but he produced a primary source that explained the dilemma and confirmed the correctness of the position in Van Perlo (and the error in ChessBase).

If you don't understand what I mean by primary source, don't talk to me about who you think is the best historian. Your opinion is worthless.

For some reason, there seens to a niche of a subculture in the Netherlands on  composing chess problens. There is a sort of an unofficial world headquarters for endgame studies there. Harold van der Heijden would be the leader.

I have to wonder if Van Perlo is a pseudenym for Harold van der Heijden.

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Aizen89 wrote:

In history, probably HJR Murray.  However, John G. White warrants an honorable mention.  Many of the works quoted by Murray in his tome belonged to Mr. White and his collection is now house in the Cleveland Public Library.  

Cool.

I read Murray's book in the 90's. Perhaps I should read it again someday.

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For that era, spongey, you should become the historian and delve into the primary sources.
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Reading old chess magazines can help you sleep.

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  1. Guy
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The legendary unicorn 

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Your mom

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Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

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That’s rude

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ghost_of_pushwood wrote:

I wonder if you learn about primary sources in primary school.

 

 

 nope.

 

Indeed, I fear, many undergraduate history majors barely make acquaintance with the topic. Primary school teachers can be assumed to be wholly ignorant of matters concerning history.

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wollyhood wrote:

how are you @TheLegendaryUnicorn , have you been having any wins in real life? I noticed you are higher in tactics than an American guy that is currently going for CM : )

I'm good, thanks, I'm trying to get my title as well happy.png

 

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also, my tactics rating is dropping 😂

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Not sure, maybe Winter.  He has debunked a lot of chess history, killed a lot of the myths I thought were true. I think a good historian does that.  Real history is shocking.  Good post,  Wonder what the answer is, probably more than one.