Why is chess not at the olympics?

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lfPatriotGames
8HitBoy wrote:
Tad2721 wrote:
8HitBoy wrote:

A very good question, I am waiting for chess to be included at the Olympics as well. It is a sport like others, but that might be hard to see and understand for non-chess-players just because you don't have to use muscles to play chess.

It's a game. Not a sport.  Levy Rozman said it himself

I like Levy, I really do, but:

"Chess has been recognised as a sport by the International Olympic Committee since 2000."

Chess has been around for hundreds of years. Even before the modern Olympics. New sports are recognized (snowboarding for example) all the time. Even though chess is not in the Olympics, why do you think the IOC (which we can all agree is very corrupt) has taken so  long to say chess is a sport?

Tristan-Gurjot214
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:

Chess fit's the definition of a sport, and it has been recognized as a sport by the International Olympic Committee, and shooting is in the Olympics, and shooting isn't even a game.   

The Olympic committee considers it a game. It was in the original modern Olympics and has been ever since (with I think the exception of 2 years). Chess actually doesn't fit the definition of sport, which has been gone over countless times. Shooting, however, DOES fit the definition because of the physical skill and muscles involved. 

So again we have to ask the question, if chess should be in the Olympics, what other board game should also be in the Olympics?

It actually does, the definition of a sport is: a particular activity (such as an athletic game) so engaged in, which means that a sport doesn't have to be an athletic game.  Chess fits that definition. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sport  

lfPatriotGames

The IOC saying chess is a sport is like Vito Corleone saying his family business is completely legit. 

Sometimes you have to consider the source. 

lfPatriotGames
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:

Chess fit's the definition of a sport, and it has been recognized as a sport by the International Olympic Committee, and shooting is in the Olympics, and shooting isn't even a game.   

The Olympic committee considers it a game. It was in the original modern Olympics and has been ever since (with I think the exception of 2 years). Chess actually doesn't fit the definition of sport, which has been gone over countless times. Shooting, however, DOES fit the definition because of the physical skill and muscles involved. 

So again we have to ask the question, if chess should be in the Olympics, what other board game should also be in the Olympics?

It actually does, the definition of a sport is: a particular activity (such as an athletic game) so engaged in, which means that a sport doesn't have to be an athletic game.  Chess fits that definition. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sport  

Actually, it doesn't. Read the definition you just posted. Physical. Athletic game. Chess, by definition, is not a sport. I can read the definition for you, but I can't understand it for you. That part is up to you. 

klorinde

An activity engaged in? Looks like anime is a sport now O.O

Tristan-Gurjot214

Read definition c (2), it says SUCH AS an athletic game, meaning it doesn't have to be an athletic game, it's just can be.

lfPatriotGames
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:

Read definition c (2), it says SUCH AS an athletic game, meaning it doesn't have to be an athletic game, it's just can be.

Yes, such as an athletic game. Shouldn't be that difficult to understand. It also emphasizes the physical aspect. Chess is a mental game, not a physical one. It's not athletic. Some dictionaries give examples, like soccer. Why do you suppose they never give examples such as Monopoly or Clue or other board games?

klorinde
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:

Read definition c (2), it says SUCH AS an athletic game, meaning it doesn't have to be an athletic game, it's just can be.

Yes, such as an athletic game. Shouldn't be that difficult to understand. It also emphasizes the physical aspect. Chess is a mental game, not a physical one. It's not athletic. Some dictionaries give examples, like soccer. Why do you suppose they never give examples such as Monopoly or Clue or other board games?

Then is competitive eating a sport? 

lfPatriotGames

If the definition were to include things OTHER than athletic games or physical skill contests, why wouldn't it say that? Why wouldn't it say "including but not limited to athletic games"?

lfPatriotGames
IsabellaXoXo29 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:

Read definition c (2), it says SUCH AS an athletic game, meaning it doesn't have to be an athletic game, it's just can be.

Yes, such as an athletic game. Shouldn't be that difficult to understand. It also emphasizes the physical aspect. Chess is a mental game, not a physical one. It's not athletic. Some dictionaries give examples, like soccer. Why do you suppose they never give examples such as Monopoly or Clue or other board games?

Then is competitive eating a sport? 

Probably. It's a physical skill contest. 

Tristan-Gurjot214
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:

Read definition c (2), it says SUCH AS an athletic game, meaning it doesn't have to be an athletic game, it's just can be.

Yes, such as an athletic game. Shouldn't be that difficult to understand. It also emphasizes the physical aspect. Chess is a mental game, not a physical one. It's not athletic. Some dictionaries give examples, like soccer. Why do you suppose they never give examples such as Monopoly or Clue or other board games?

Monopoly and Clue are games of luck, chess is not. 

Tristan-Gurjot214
lfPatriotGames wrote:

If the definition were to include things OTHER than athletic games or physical skill contests, why wouldn't it say that? Why wouldn't it say "including but not limited to athletic games"?

You don't need to be that specific, when you use the words: such as, you are implying that it's "including but not limited to." 

lfPatriotGames
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:

Read definition c (2), it says SUCH AS an athletic game, meaning it doesn't have to be an athletic game, it's just can be.

Yes, such as an athletic game. Shouldn't be that difficult to understand. It also emphasizes the physical aspect. Chess is a mental game, not a physical one. It's not athletic. Some dictionaries give examples, like soccer. Why do you suppose they never give examples such as Monopoly or Clue or other board games?

Monopoly and Clue are games of luck, chess is not. 

Luck has nothing to do with defining a sport or game. Under the definition of sport, why do they never include checkers or soduko? Are those games of luck too?

The REASON the dictionary doesn't say "including but not limited to" is because it doesn't apply. Sometimes the dictionary DOES say that, if it applies. Here is does not. It's not mentioned because all sports are athletic games. It's how the word is defined. 

Now look up the definition of chess. What's the first the words you are likely to see? "a board game". 

pfren
lfPatriotGames έγραψε:

I'm wondering what are some other sports where you don't have to use any muscles. 

Isn't Curling an Olympic sport? Shooting? Archery?

I can name a few more.

Do you know that breakdancing will be included in the 2024 Olympics as a sport?

Tristan-Gurjot214
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:

Read definition c (2), it says SUCH AS an athletic game, meaning it doesn't have to be an athletic game, it's just can be.

Yes, such as an athletic game. Shouldn't be that difficult to understand. It also emphasizes the physical aspect. Chess is a mental game, not a physical one. It's not athletic. Some dictionaries give examples, like soccer. Why do you suppose they never give examples such as Monopoly or Clue or other board games?

Monopoly and Clue are games of luck, chess is not. 

Luck has nothing to do with defining a sport or game. Under the definition of sport, why do they never include checkers or soduko? Are those games of luck too?

The REASON the dictionary doesn't say "including but not limited to" is because it doesn't apply. Sometimes the dictionary DOES say that, if it applies. Here is does not. It's not mentioned because all sports are athletic games. It's how the word is defined. 

Now look up the definition of chess. What's the first the words you are likely to see? "a board game". 

Checkers is a solved game, so there is no point in adding it to the Olympics.

lfPatriotGames
pfren wrote:
lfPatriotGames έγραψε:

I'm wondering what are some other sports where you don't have to use any muscles. 

Isn't Curling an Olympic sport? Shooting? Archery?

I can name a few more.

Do you know that breakdancing will be included in the 2024 Olympics as a sport?

Really?? I didn't know curling is a sport that requires no muscle use. Shooting and archery also huh? Thats amazing. So quadrapalegics and people with no muscle use can actively engage in, and even excel at  curling and archery?? Do you mind expanding on that a bit. Maybe just explain a little bit, in detail, how that works specifically. Like,  oh I don't know, how the archer pulls the arrow back without using arms or hands. I'm curious how that works. 

lfPatriotGames
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:

Read definition c (2), it says SUCH AS an athletic game, meaning it doesn't have to be an athletic game, it's just can be.

Yes, such as an athletic game. Shouldn't be that difficult to understand. It also emphasizes the physical aspect. Chess is a mental game, not a physical one. It's not athletic. Some dictionaries give examples, like soccer. Why do you suppose they never give examples such as Monopoly or Clue or other board games?

Monopoly and Clue are games of luck, chess is not. 

Luck has nothing to do with defining a sport or game. Under the definition of sport, why do they never include checkers or soduko? Are those games of luck too?

The REASON the dictionary doesn't say "including but not limited to" is because it doesn't apply. Sometimes the dictionary DOES say that, if it applies. Here is does not. It's not mentioned because all sports are athletic games. It's how the word is defined. 

Now look up the definition of chess. What's the first the words you are likely to see? "a board game". 

Checkers is a solved game, so there is no point in adding it to the Olympics.

I see. So is there some comment, some requirement, some indication that the Olympic committee only considers unsolved games for inclusion in the Olympics? You seem to be wandering off a bit. Lets try to stay on topic. 

I'm pretty sure luck and whether or not a game is solved have nothing to do with an activity in the Olympics. Pretty much all sports involve some element of luck. And I'm also pretty sure none of the sports currently in the Olympics are "solved". 

AunTheKnight
lfPatriotGames wrote:

If the definition were to include things OTHER than athletic games or physical skill contests, why wouldn't it say that? Why wouldn't it say "including but not limited to athletic games"?

"Such as" gives an example. It is not limited to that. For example, "There are many different types of noodles, such as ramen and udon." Now, are those the only noodles?

lfPatriotGames
DigitalWarfare wrote:

We can go over this endlessly for years or just accept the truth: Everything is a business today and the Olympics are a massive revenue generator. It's all about ratings and commercials and the average guy who just got home from work and cracked open a beer would much rather watch women's figure skating than Chess. That's it. That's the reason. 

thank you

Well put.  I'll bet every current Olympic event would have higher ratings, with both men and women, than chess would. 

Chess is fun to play, but incredibly boring to watch. 

pfren
Tristan-Gurjot214 έγραψε:

Checkers is a solved game, so there is no point in adding it to the Olympics.

 And cars are running much faster than humans, so there is no point including races in the Olympics.