Why is chess not at the olympics?

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DasBurner

1. Chess does not involve physical exertion. (Please don't say a bunch of crap like "Chess players burn so many calories, expend so much energy while thinking", etc. Those are examples of mental exertion, not physical

2. Live chess is not entertaining to watch. Waiting for a player to make a move in classical chess takes a great quantity of time, even more so than waiting for a baseball player to stand up to bat (or changing sides after innings or whatever the complaint is about baseball being slow, there's many), which is generally described as one of the most boring aspects of any sport. Analyzing the games after they have completed can be "fun" if that's your kind of thing, but live, classical chess doesn't provide any sort of entertainment while the match actually occurs (for the vast majority of people, there are always outliers but I don't understand the thrill of watching people like Radjabov for multiple hours just to watch a Berlin draw)

KingCobra280
DaBabysBurner wrote:

1. Chess does not involve physical exertion. (Please don't say a bunch of crap like "Chess players burn so many calories, expend so much energy while thinking", etc. Those are examples of mental exertion, not physical

2. Live chess is not entertaining to watch. Waiting for a player to make a move in classical chess takes a great quantity of time, even more so than waiting for a baseball player to stand up to bat (or changing sides after innings or whatever the complaint is about baseball being slow, there's many), which is generally described as one of the most boring aspects of any sport. Analyzing the games after they have completed can be "fun" if that's your kind of thing, but live, classical chess doesn't provide any sort of entertainment while the match actually occurs (for the vast majority of people, there are always outliers but I don't understand the thrill of watching people like Radjabov for multiple hours just to watch a Berlin draw)

1. Moving pieces

2. People find it entertaining

lfPatriotGames

But a mental challenge is not a sport. A sport is a physical challenge. A game is a mental challenge. So a challenging game, that's both mental and physical, is a sport. 

For example, doing taxes is a mental challenge. Is that a sport that should be in the Olympics?

BenIBB

@KingCobra280 my original msg came out kind of wrong, so i edited it if u want to go back to it.

Tristan-Gurjot214
lfPatriotGames wrote:
KingCobra280 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
icyboyyy wrote:

in shooting, you actually need some physical skill to aim. in chess, you just need to have good mental capabilities and have a working hand to move pieces

Even a working hand is not necessary. If someone has no hands, they are allowed to simply call out the moves, or have someone else move the pieces for them. Sports do not have that allowance. 

Chess is a sport

Then explain how board games, such as chess, allow for no physical external use of the body. Explain how all sports require require that, but chess does not. 

Give even one example of a sport where there is no physical external use of the body. Pfren certainly tried. I think he said curling and archery requires no muscle use. He was a little vague on explaining exactly how that works but you know how that goes. So maybe you can pick up where he left off. Explain how if chess were a sport, how no muscle use is necessary, where all sports do in fact require it. Explain away. 

I think that go might be a sport, shooting is a sport, archery is a sport, there are many sports where no muscle is needed. 

KingCobra280
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
KingCobra280 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
icyboyyy wrote:

in shooting, you actually need some physical skill to aim. in chess, you just need to have good mental capabilities and have a working hand to move pieces

Even a working hand is not necessary. If someone has no hands, they are allowed to simply call out the moves, or have someone else move the pieces for them. Sports do not have that allowance. 

Chess is a sport

Then explain how board games, such as chess, allow for no physical external use of the body. Explain how all sports require require that, but chess does not. 

Give even one example of a sport where there is no physical external use of the body. Pfren certainly tried. I think he said curling and archery requires no muscle use. He was a little vague on explaining exactly how that works but you know how that goes. So maybe you can pick up where he left off. Explain how if chess were a sport, how no muscle use is necessary, where all sports do in fact require it. Explain away. 

I think that go might be a sport, shooting is a sport, archery is a sport, there are many sports where no muscle is needed. 

archery needs muscle. 

BenIBB

Tristan-Gurjot214 I agree with you although archery definitely does recquire physical strength in some aspects of the game.

KingCobra280
BenIBB wrote:

Tristan-Gurjot214 I agree with you although archery definitely does recquire physical strength in some aspects of the game.

yes. true

DasBurner
KingCobra280 wrote:
DaBabysBurner wrote:

1. Chess does not involve physical exertion. (Please don't say a bunch of crap like "Chess players burn so many calories, expend so much energy while thinking", etc. Those are examples of mental exertion, not physical

2. Live chess is not entertaining to watch. Waiting for a player to make a move in classical chess takes a great quantity of time, even more so than waiting for a baseball player to stand up to bat (or changing sides after innings or whatever the complaint is about baseball being slow, there's many), which is generally described as one of the most boring aspects of any sport. Analyzing the games after they have completed can be "fun" if that's your kind of thing, but live, classical chess doesn't provide any sort of entertainment while the match actually occurs (for the vast majority of people, there are always outliers but I don't understand the thrill of watching people like Radjabov for multiple hours just to watch a Berlin draw)

1. Moving pieces

2. People find it entertaining

1. The physical exertion required to move pieces that weigh 1 oz (.06 pounds) is extremely minimal, borderline nonexistent

2. if you say so

lfPatriotGames
KingCobra280 wrote:
BenIBB wrote:

I sort of agree with this, chess is still a sport, just a mental challenge rather than physical, different to other olympic sports which are physically challenging. @AunTheKnight

 

yay, chess is a sport. There is little physical involved but it still counts 

Since you haven't explained how sports can be played without using any muscles, then your claim about chess being a sport is not believable. It sounds like you are just making it up, and don't really believe it yourself. 

Chess doesn't requires physical skill. But you say it does because it's a sport. So explain that. If you can't, then we will have to assume you are either being deceptive or don't really believe it. 

AunTheKnight
KingCobra280 wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
KingCobra280 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
icyboyyy wrote:

in shooting, you actually need some physical skill to aim. in chess, you just need to have good mental capabilities and have a working hand to move pieces

Even a working hand is not necessary. If someone has no hands, they are allowed to simply call out the moves, or have someone else move the pieces for them. Sports do not have that allowance. 

Chess is a sport

Then explain how board games, such as chess, allow for no physical external use of the body. Explain how all sports require require that, but chess does not. 

Give even one example of a sport where there is no physical external use of the body. Pfren certainly tried. I think he said curling and archery requires no muscle use. He was a little vague on explaining exactly how that works but you know how that goes. So maybe you can pick up where he left off. Explain how if chess were a sport, how no muscle use is necessary, where all sports do in fact require it. Explain away. 

I think that go might be a sport, shooting is a sport, archery is a sport, there are many sports where no muscle is needed. 

archery needs muscle. 

Shooting also.

AunTheKnight
lfPatriotGames wrote:
KingCobra280 wrote:
BenIBB wrote:

I sort of agree with this, chess is still a sport, just a mental challenge rather than physical, different to other olympic sports which are physically challenging. @AunTheKnight

 

yay, chess is a sport. There is little physical involved but it still counts 

Since you haven't explained how sports can be played without using any muscles, then your claim about chess being a sport is not believable. It sounds like you are just making it up, and don't really believe it yourself. 

Chess doesn't requires physical skill. But you say it does because it's a sport. So explain that. If you can't, then we will have to assume you are either being deceptive or don't really believe it. 

Sports require skill, not physical skill.

lfPatriotGames

I'm beginning to think there is a special class of people who specialize in putting no thought into either what words are, or what they mean. 

lfPatriotGames
AunTheKnight wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
KingCobra280 wrote:
BenIBB wrote:

I sort of agree with this, chess is still a sport, just a mental challenge rather than physical, different to other olympic sports which are physically challenging. @AunTheKnight

 

yay, chess is a sport. There is little physical involved but it still counts 

Since you haven't explained how sports can be played without using any muscles, then your claim about chess being a sport is not believable. It sounds like you are just making it up, and don't really believe it yourself. 

Chess doesn't requires physical skill. But you say it does because it's a sport. So explain that. If you can't, then we will have to assume you are either being deceptive or don't really believe it. 

Sports require skill, not physical skill.

Well if you have a hard time with the word skill, how about the word muscle. Do you know what a muscle is, what it does, and how it relates to body movement?

KingCobra280
DaBabysBurner wrote:
KingCobra280 wrote:
DaBabysBurner wrote:

1. Chess does not involve physical exertion. (Please don't say a bunch of crap like "Chess players burn so many calories, expend so much energy while thinking", etc. Those are examples of mental exertion, not physical

2. Live chess is not entertaining to watch. Waiting for a player to make a move in classical chess takes a great quantity of time, even more so than waiting for a baseball player to stand up to bat (or changing sides after innings or whatever the complaint is about baseball being slow, there's many), which is generally described as one of the most boring aspects of any sport. Analyzing the games after they have completed can be "fun" if that's your kind of thing, but live, classical chess doesn't provide any sort of entertainment while the match actually occurs (for the vast majority of people, there are always outliers but I don't understand the thrill of watching people like Radjabov for multiple hours just to watch a Berlin draw)

1. Moving pieces

2. People find it entertaining

1. The physical exertion required to move pieces that weigh 1 oz (.06 pounds) is extremely minimal, borderline nonexistent

2. if you say so

1. Even if it is extremely minimal, it still counts

2. Between 100 and 200 million have followed the match Anand – Carlsen 

hiikooll

I think it’s because it’s not a sports game. However, it is still a sports game for the brain.

BenIBB

I completely agree.

AunTheKnight
lfPatriotGames wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
KingCobra280 wrote:
BenIBB wrote:

I sort of agree with this, chess is still a sport, just a mental challenge rather than physical, different to other olympic sports which are physically challenging. @AunTheKnight

 

yay, chess is a sport. There is little physical involved but it still counts 

Since you haven't explained how sports can be played without using any muscles, then your claim about chess being a sport is not believable. It sounds like you are just making it up, and don't really believe it yourself. 

Chess doesn't requires physical skill. But you say it does because it's a sport. So explain that. If you can't, then we will have to assume you are either being deceptive or don't really believe it. 

Sports require skill, not physical skill.

Well if you have a hard time with the word skill, how about the word muscle. Do you know what a muscle is, what it does, and how it relates to body movement?

Look, I just pointed out that the definition says skill. “Physical exertion and skill.”

lfPatriotGames
hiikooll wrote:

I think it’s because it’s not a sports game. However, it is still a sports game for the brain.

Yes. That is the distinction a few here do not understand. A competition, for fun using the brain is a game. Using your brain (and muscles) is a sport. 

There would be no point in having two separate words if everything is both. Chess is a mental competition, not a physical one. 

AunTheKnight

Okay. Chess is a mind sport. Finished.