Will Playing Tactically When my Style is Positional Improve my Chess Skill?

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llamonade2

A professional is by definition someone who makes money by doing that thing.

Maybe some 2500s bum around and win local tournaments, sleeping on people's sofas, in vans, or whatever.

But for a professional chess player to afford things like a house and car, maybe 20 people in the world can do that by playing, and they're all over 2700. Then maybe a few 100 can make money by coaching and writing books, and that's a random assortment of titled players, mostly GMs.

KingSideInvasion
Chebyshevv wrote:

A professional is by definition someone who makes money by doing that thing.

Maybe some 2500s bum around and win local tournaments, sleeping on people's sofas, in vans, or whatever.

But for a professional chess player to afford things like a house and car, maybe 20 people in the world can do that by playing, and they're all over 2700. Then maybe a few 100 can make money by coaching and writing books, and that's a random assortment of titled players, mostly GMs.

Ok. I guess I won't be one of those.

JeffGreen333
Chebyshevv wrote:

Well, I tend to look at blitz ratings because they're pretty close to OTB.

So if the 4 year old is 1200 and you're only 1100 maybe you could ask him for lessons

(and I very much doubt any 4 year old has ever been 1200)

Online blitz ratings are close to OTB classic ratings?   Blitz is just "Beat The Clock".   It's nothing like classic chess.   I prefer to take the average of my online rapid and daily ratings and use that as my estimated OTB classic rating, since there's no classic rating category on here.   My 1600 rapid and 2000 daily ratings average out to 1800, so that's my estimated strength, since I haven't played in a real, OTB tournament for about 25 years.

llamonade2

Most people, from what I've seen, pretty much stop improving after about 8 to 10 years anyway. And yes, kids improve faster.

So you're at a good age to become really good and have fun with it, and then when you get closer to adult age you can focus on something else while still being a good player happy.png

kindaspongey
Laskersnephew wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
Laskersnephew wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
… Laskersnephew wrote:

... If you miss tactics, drop material, make positional blunders, and throw away half-points in the ending, your don't have a style. ...

GM Nunn wrote:  "... The first step is to think about your personal style. Do you prefer open, tactical positions or closed, strategic positions? Does an attack on your king make you nervous, or are you happy so long as you have a counter-attack? Do you prefer main lines, or something slightly offbeat? ..."

Do you see any reason to doubt that KingSideInvasion has answers to questions of that sort?

... you have cited the same John Nunn partial quotation many, many times

... If you talk about someone not having a style, it seems reasonable to me to consider the questions mentioned by GM John Nunn in his discussion of style. Can we correctly assume that you do not want to present any reasons to doubt that KingSideInvasion has answers to questions of that sort?

... If [KingSideInvasion’s question] hasn't been answered in exactly the form and wording that you attempt to demand, that is ...

I am not attempting to demand anything. I am simply posting my reactions.

llamonade2
JeffGreen333 wrote:
Chebyshevv wrote:

Well, I tend to look at blitz ratings because they're pretty close to OTB.

So if the 4 year old is 1200 and you're only 1100 maybe you could ask him for lessons

(and I very much doubt any 4 year old has ever been 1200)

Online blitz ratings are close to OTB classic ratings?   Blitz is just "Beat The Clock".   It's nothing like classic chess.   I prefer to take the average of my online rapid and daily ratings and use that as my estimated OTB classic rating, since there's no classic rating category on here.   My 1600 rapid and 2000 daily ratings average out to 1800, so that's my estimated strength, since I haven't played in a real, OTB tournament for about 25 years.

The gameplay of chess.com blitz is very different from OTB classical.

Even though blitz is different, the ratings tend to correlate pretty well for most people... but of course not all people. Older people and new players are bad at speed games, so it doesn't work well for them.

You can google things like chess.com rating to OTB rating and see tables people have compiled. Some are years old, and wont work well. In particular I know rapid ratings have fluctuated quite a bit in the past. Right now they're probably the best they've been I think in large part due to chess.com's improved cheat detection.

JeffGreen333
KingSideInvasion wrote:

 

JeffGreen333 wrote:

 

KingSideInvasion wrote:

You are considered an amateur class A player at 1900. only above 2000 will you be considered an expert.

Yes, I know that.   This is all just my personal opinion, but my cutoffs are:  0-800 rated is beginner, 800-1400 is novice, 1400-1800 is intermediate, 1800-2200 is advanced and 2200-2600 is Master and 2600 and higher is Grandmaster.   Amateur just means that a player doesn't make a living off of chess, whereas a professional does.   

 

What do you consider a professional?

 

Someone who is a full-time chess player and makes his living off of chess.   The elite GM's.   It's extremely difficult to make your way into that small group though.   Most young players end up going to college, getting a degree or getting a "real job" and stop studying chess at around age 17 or 18.  Some meet women, get married and have families too.   Things change in life and not everyone pursues chess as a career, especially since the prize money usually isn't enough to live off of, unless you're at the very top elite level.  

JeffGreen333
KingSideInvasion wrote:
JeffGreen333 wrote:
KingSideInvasion wrote:
Chebyshevv wrote:

Almost no one gets to 1900 after only 2 years. It's a pretty absurd benchmark for these forums where no one who posts is on track to be a professional.

How is 1900 after two years absurd? I'm pretty sure that at the beginning of this summer I was 900 and now I am 1500 and I'm only 13. Any adult should be able to reach 1900 after two years if they take chess seriously.

Not.  Kids advance in rating much faster than adults.   If a kid gets good coaching, he could possibly advance 400 ratings points in a year, but it takes about 10-20 years for an adult to advance 400 ratings points.   Kids absorb things faster.   You'll see, when you get old like us.   lol

Ok lol, better study before I hit that.

Yes, exactly.   I wish I had started studying chess when I was 13.  I learned how to play at 9, but didn't start studying the game until I was about 25.  Way too late to ever become a GM.  

JeffGreen333
Chebyshevv wrote:

Maybe some 2500s bum around and win local tournaments, sleeping on people's sofas, in vans, or whatever.

That sounds like me.   lol   I could definitely see me doing that.   

llamonade2
JeffGreen333 wrote:
Chebyshevv wrote:

Maybe some 2500s bum around and win local tournaments, sleeping on people's sofas, in vans, or whatever.

That sounds like me.   lol   I could definitely see me doing that.   

I heard in Europe there was something of a roving band of 2500-ish GMs who would travel around winning local tournaments, sleeping on sofas and such tongue.png

So if you were a "lowly" FM who was hoping to win a tournament when one of these guys showed up you'd be out of luck.

IMKeto
JeffGreen333 wrote:
Chebyshevv wrote:

Maybe some 2500s bum around and win local tournaments, sleeping on people's sofas, in vans, or whatever.

That sounds like me.   lol   I could definitely see me doing that.   

"Will couch surf for chess winnings"

JeffGreen333
Chebyshevv wrote:

The gameplay of chess.com blitz is very different from OTB classical.

Even though blitz is different, the ratings tend to correlate pretty well for most people... but of course not all people. Older people and new players are bad at speed games, so it doesn't work well for them.

You can google things like chess.com rating to OTB rating and see tables people have compiled. Some are years old, and wont work well. In particular I know rapid ratings have fluctuated quite a bit in the past. Right now they're probably the best they've been I think in large part due to chess.com's improved cheat detection.

Yeah, but I'm talking about playing strength, not actual USCF ratings.   Ratings will always be higher on here, because it costs money to play in a USCF tournament and most people don't play in them much after the age of 18.   So, their USCF ratings are usually much lower than their actual playing strength.   I was rated at 1465, back in 1993, which is the last time I played in a USCF rated tournament.   However, I've been studying the game, on and off, for the past 26 years and estimate my current strength at around 1800-1850.   My online blitz rating sucks though, because I'm a deep thinker and am much better at longer time controls and daily games than I am at blitz.   So, I average my online rapid and daily ratings to get my estimated classic playing strength.

llamonade2

There are plenty of adults rated under 2000 who play in tournaments happy.png

If you show up, sure there are plenty of kids, but there are old guys too, some in their 60s and 70s.

kindaspongey
Laskersnephew wrote:

... First get the deep understanding, your style will emerge naturally

"Building a repertoire ... The first step is to think about your personal style. Do you prefer open, tactical positions or closed, strategic positions? Does an attack on your king make you nervous, or are you happy so long as you have a counter-attack? Do you prefer main lines, or something slightly offbeat? ..." - GM John Nunn (1998)

Do you see any reason that KingSideInvasion, while choosing openings, should avoid consideration of questions of that sort?

kindaspongey
Chebyshevv wrote:

... Well sure, everyone has preferences.

Preference isn't a style though. Style is ...

Do you have some reason to believe that you can decide how everyone should use the word, “style”?

"Building a repertoire ... The first step is to think about your personal style. Do you prefer open, tactical positions or closed, strategic positions? Does an attack on your king make you nervous, or are you happy so long as you have a counter-attack? Do you prefer main lines, or something slightly offbeat? ..." - GM John Nunn (1998)

kindaspongey
Chebyshevv wrote:

Almost no one gets to 1900 after only 2 years. It's a pretty absurd benchmark for these forums where ...

Are there any benchmark rules for posting?

llamonade2

This isn't just an issue in chess, the same conversation happens in art. You have strengths and weaknesses until you're good enough to have an actual style.

Nunn uses the word style, so what. He's using it colloquially. You can disagree, in which case we can agree to disagree. I don't really care because I'm confident in this assessment.

JeffGreen333
kindaspongey wrote:
Chebyshevv wrote:

... Well sure, everyone has preferences.

Preference isn't a style though. Style is ...

Do you have some reason to believe that you can decide how everyone can use the word, “style”?

"Building a repertoire ... we will take the idealized situation of someone starting from square one ... The first step is to think about your personal style. Do you prefer open, tactical positions or closed, strategic positions? Does an attack on your king make you nervous, or are you happy so long as you have a counter-attack? Do you prefer main lines, or something slightly offbeat? ..." - GM John Nunn (1998)

I guess I'm a hybrid, semi-open style player then.   I'm not a big fan of closed positions or wide open tactical positions, but I can play them.   I prefer semi-open positions, like the Sicilian, French and QID as black and 1. d4 openings as white.   I can attack, counter-attack or defend, depending on what the position dictates.

llamonade2
kindaspongey wrote:
Chebyshevv wrote:

Almost no one gets to 1900 after only 2 years. It's a pretty absurd benchmark for these forums where ...

Are there any benchmark rules for posting?

I have no idea what you're trying to ask here.

A year from now I'm going to be reading an article:

"While our "spongebot" was highly effective at fooling users into talking with it as if it were human, occasionally people did become frustrated and point out it was posting like a bot, not taking context into account, and spamming quotes"

neveraskmeforadraw

Kindaspongey has got to have some kind of OCD.