Has Chess.com ever had a worse idea than Vacations?

Save for the no-moves-in-any-games restriction, you have the same vacation rights as I do, I just happen to be able to automate it. There's nothing unfair about it.

No Genghiskhant, I understood perfectly well that you are not against it and also your concern about existing premium members. I just felt like re-stating how I felt about the effect of the perk.

@TheGrobe, in a 3 days/move game, if Internet connection is not available due to some reason in certain part of India after two days (not very uncommon), even if you had vacation days available, you could lose on time out if you were not a premium member. That's a reality.

yeah Chess.com's worst idea is to let this forum topic exist in the forums.

This is an interesting topic - I am a Premium member so that I can create tournaments and do certain things for my team - I do not like the vacation rule - I pay, you don't - you don't make it to the table in three days - you loose, I don't make it to the table in three days - no big deal. If my vacation kicks in because I did not move, I resign the game - each side should be equal - chuck    

Thank you Skand for a very clear and honest reply. And also to Tacticator.....  I have no idea whether Tacticator is  speaking literally or rhetorically, but I find the statement clever on both fronts.

Please excuse me. I want to get down to the fundeamentals, and not the mechanics of how a facility works:

Should Chess.com sell tactical advantage to paying players in indivisual game play?  I've already highligted the profit motif that Chess.com has, but do you find it ethically right ?

We've all invested a lot of time, effort,  and indeed loyalty in Chess.com.

For my part, it's time for Chess.com to come clean about it's  Corporate based agenda vs. how it will best serve its members.  And Chess.com, you can make profit from the enterprise, but I would appreciate knowing the tactics you employ.  Chess used to be a battle one on one. It was a game of honour, and you offend me by making it less so.

Someone is really full of themselves.

Here is an idea: start your own website, and do not offer anything to paying members that they could not get for free.

Oh, and make sure you quit your day job first, so you are fully commited.

David, I appreciate your contributions to this post - do you really need to scream in big red letters? Comments from the team leader in a recent match in which I resigned because of this very topic 

 Chuck, no need to resign as otherwise I would have to do the same. Vacation is one of the things that are part of chess.com. In sanctioned Correspondence chess the times/move are much longer to allow for vacations, illnesses, and whatever else life throws you. While 3d/move sounds long all it takes is a long weekend getaway, a business trip, or a small illness to get past that. Very much appreciate your sense of fairness but there is no reason to be tougher on yourself than necessary. I am sure Marcel feels the same and wouldn't want to have a point handed without earning it on the board"

Chuck

Oh, the joy of blind conformity!

I think this crowd must have a lot of vacation time stored up to pound out these massive missives. 

There is a place for the contents of your bladders, and it is not the chess forums.

The last thing I wanted to do this Friday night was spend several hours writing, editing, and typing this post. However, I needed to do it because it's honestly the best way to enable patriots to use their freedoms to save their freedoms. I assume you already know that the reason I'm writing this post is that so far, the response from Cookiemonster's camp has been tardy and equivocal, but I have something more important to tell you. You may make the comment, "What does this have to do with unambitious gaberlunzies?" Well, once you begin to see the light you'll realize that I want to speak in the strongest possible terms against Cookiemonster's press releases. That concept can be extended, mutatis mutandis, to the way that I can reword my point as follows. There are deeper issues afoot here.

If one dares to criticize even a single tenet of Cookiemonster's treacheries, one is promptly condemned as raucous, iscariotic, postmodernist, or whatever epithet Cookiemonster deems most appropriate, usually without much explanation. Just because he and his apostles don't like being labelled as "acrasial good-for-nothings" or "stubborn New Age ruffians" doesn't mean the shoe doesn't fit. 

As for Chasm, well, I shant waste nearly the same amount of time on the contents of his sneeze over his keyboard.  The prerequisite to understanding this post is to have encountered some of Chasm's blanket statements and to have realized how saturnine they are. Here's how this post works: I'll offer ideas and a theory to explain things. You bring your own experiences to bear on the matter of Chasm's phlegmatic contrivances, supplementing them where necessary with information from this post. Together we will restore the temple of our civilization to the ancient truths.

Surely no argument is necessary to prove that Chasm's thesis is that the more strepitant the communication, the more perspicuous the message. That's absolutely prolix, you say? Good; that means you're finally catching on. The next step is to observe that Chasm is trying to leave a generation of people planted in the mud of a satanic world to begin a new life in the shadows of plagiarism. His mission? To shrink the so-called marketplace of ideas down to convenience-store size.

Even if you got the minute back, you would probably just waste it on chess, instead of something useful, like baseball.

Dear Ubik42,

I think you went a little overboard with the thesaurus and dictionary. As an etymology aficionado and modern literature enthusiast I extol a post written vivaciously. However, a recremetitous use of abstruse morphemes can relinquish any proposition you were soliciting. Fortuitously, you may evince pretentious ruminations from a smattering of personage . We all know your are a sagacious member of intelligentsia, but please refrain from nauseating verbosity and ostentation.

Sincerely,

Every bourgeoisie who ever lived

P.S You misused a semi-colon. Semi-colons connect two independent clauses that share the same underlying thought. Instead of, “Good;” use “Good,”, this is an introduction to an independent clause and is grammatically acceptable.

In this particular case the independent clause is the sentence with a question mark used as a clause, since english (unlike my mother tongue) lacks a non-sentencial method of distinguishing a querying fragment.

But thanks for caring! I can see that you, too, have the staggering intellect neccesary to open up a thesaurus. Importantly, you dont appear to have hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia, a common affliction of those who aren't happy with my own posts. They could form a club. They probably already have one, allied with my many enemies. Watch out, they could be after you next.

My first post in chess.com's forums! I agree with the OP regarding additional time after vacation, I once had an opponent who had a yellow icon beside him, a paying member obviously,in a team match who was moving normally,not exactly fast, about once or twice a day was his average, until we came to an endgame wherein I had one king and 2 pawns,against his lone king..he still moved his usual pace while I haven't promoted either pawn, staying his king in front of my pawns to try stalemate..but as soon as he wasn't able to stop me, when I queened my first pawn, I notice a change in his movement time, he took 2 days then auto vacation kicked in wherein hehad around 2 hours left, after he came back from vacation his time shot up to 24 hours.But I had no problem with that since I had other games, at least he kept moving,although I noticed the same pattern, wait 2 days, go on auto vacay with 1 or 2 hours left, then see his time shot up to 24 hours..i eventually checkmated him by promoting a second pawn to a rook,and I didn't think this was that big of an issue until I started reading the forums.

If you go on vacation and come off it right away, your time shoots up 24 hours. No different then if you just stayed on vacation the entire day. 

If you can document that he stayed on vacation for 1 full day, then came back and THEN his time went up an additional 24 hours, you would have the basis for a bug report.

According to how vacations work, there is no way to extend a game by more days then you have vacation, and this is my expereince as someone who has used vacations multiple times.

Well I don't really pay attention to what anyone's doing, whether he/she moves after an hour or takes 3 full days , takes a vacation and I didn't think this was an issue until I started reading these forums..well the op mentioned something about his opponent doing it in a losing position and really took full offense with it,thats why i recalled this being done to me after reading these forums,it's not right but it doesnt bother me a bit, i go about my business, moves when he moves,he'll eventually run out of vacation time if he doesnt..i just wondered why their time goes up I thought if you have 2 hours left,when you come back you still have 2 hours, guess everyone has his or her own strategy lol..Good to see that we have these forums..I haven't been reading them,all my questions are answered here..

Question:

Is it vacation abuse when a player has alot of games going on and often goes into vacation just so he gets that extra day to think?

Earlier in this thread I said that I thought the turn was fully resetted, but I was incorrect: the player just gets the ~24hr added.

But when a game has 3 days/move time control and during the game the player goes into vacationmode 20 times, he gets a substantial portion of extra time. In the "abuse" section it is written that this is not allowed in a lost position. But is this also not abuse when it is done in a more or less equal position?

When you go on vacation, you go on for all your games. If you are losing in one and winning in another, how is anyone supposed to tell which game to judge you by?

True. Well Im sorry for him but I am going to file a complaint and I'll see if it gets accepted or not. I have sent him a message before (month ago) saying that I dont want to report him, but that he should just make his move within time and that I will report if he keeps on doing it. 

This thread gave me some answers and I am much more understanding of vacation and it's use. But this guy is basicly playing 4 days/move vs my 3 days/move.