Has Chess.com ever had a worse idea than Vacations?

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macer75
varelse1 wrote:

problem with that is I am only allowed one tournament.

 

I'm currently in 2 tournaments, and I don't pay. Why's that?

zazen5

The vacation feature allows both players to obtain maximum value for each of their moves.  Is it desirable that the opponent quits or loses if they cant play continually all the time?  On some sites for Go that I play at, there is 365 days(per move), or one move every 4 weeks, and another site no time limit at all.  I started a game on 9/2011 with one dude, he was away for a year, and I am still playing that game.  With Go there is around 400 moves for a game, or more.

Uzbik42 wrote:  "I will take two vacations this upcoming week. Sunday through Tueusday (for a Colonoscopy on Monday)..."  Uh, thanks for mentioning?  But no, a colonoscopy is NOT a vacation.  

If a player isnt able to play consistently, then just choose a longer per move game category.

varelse1

You are currently playing in 1 tournament.
If you would like to play in more tournaments, upgrade your account now!.
 
I guess i'm just not as cool as you are, macer
MathBandit
varelse1 wrote:

Vacation can be a good thing. But it should not reset your clock every time you take one.

This is what myu opponent is doing:

24 hours vacation

48 hours not vacation

24 hours vacation

48 hours not vacation

24 hours vacation

And so on

Are you sure it resets your clock? As I mentioned earlier, I have never had it reset mine when I went on vacation.

varelse1

I am very sure. Every single time he comes off vacation, it is back up to 3 days time remaining.

My opponent is on his 14th vacation, without making a single move. All his other games are progressing as normal.

OldHastonian
bobbyDK wrote:

I think vacation is a fine thing if you are indeed on vacation.

Auto vacation is bad cause if you are not on vacation your time should simply run out.
IMO vacation should always actively be set by the player.

Quite right; when an opponent is actively playing live games/posting on forums etc, but is delaying your game due to spurious use of vacation time, then that is "Vacation Abuse"

The curse of this site.

RebeccaLoran

is your rating really that important? 

varelse1
varelse1 wrote:

problem with that is I am only allowed one tournament.

So I cannot enter another tournament until 1-3 years. (When my last remaining opponent makes his next move.)

Unless I withdraw from this tournament. In which case he will win, and tell all his troll buddies to abuse the vacation time, to save a losing postion, and they will all start doing it.

I just bump this, instead of typing it all again.

Ubik42
zazen5 wrote:

The vacation feature allows both players to obtain maximum value for each of their moves.  Is it desirable that the opponent quits or loses if they cant play continually all the time?  On some sites for Go that I play at, there is 365 days(per move), or one move every 4 weeks, and another site no time limit at all.  I started a game on 9/2011 with one dude, he was away for a year, and I am still playing that game.  With Go there is around 400 moves for a game, or more.

Uzbik42 wrote:  "I will take two vacations this upcoming week. Sunday through Tueusday (for a Colonoscopy on Monday)..."  Uh, thanks for mentioning?  But no, a colonoscopy is NOT a vacation.  

If a player isnt able to play consistently, then just choose a longer per move game category.

Or, use your vacation time, if you don't want to have long overall turnaround times.

People who don't like it can choose no vacation, or they can just resign.

ozzie_c_cobblepot

For once, I wish those that advocate in favor of a rule change would consider beyond how the proposed change would benefit them.

Don't like vacation time? How would eliminating it affect new membership? How about paying membership? How about...?

What about having a slightly different time control structure, which would often eliminate the need for vacation? Time control is 10 moves every 15 days. You reach move 15 while only using 2 days of time? Great - you now have 15 more days, added to your existing 13, giving 28 days.

MathBandit
GLA_Jarmen_Kell wrote:

@ozzie_c_cobblepot: I don't quite understand your proposal, but I think my proposal is enough to be good for all sides.

Everybody can have their vacation and as long as they want, but you cannot come out of vacation and go into another one within a week, unless you contact staff (those cases should be a minimum like for emergencies [someone passed away or injury or the like] or for titled players who happen to have less than a week between tournaments).

No, your proposal is not good enough for all sides. Specifically, it is not good enough for those of us who pay for the right to use Vacation (and, especially, the auto-timeout protection).

Your proposal takes something I can currently do (be on vacation while still using TT, the Forums, etc), and removes it. It takes something else I can currently do (go on multiple vacations within a week) and removes it as well. In return, I get nothing. The simple fact that you feel the need to let titled players get around the second clause shows how unfair it is; what if I happen to have two chess tournaments within a week? What if I have any other plans that take up most/all of two consecutive weekends?

You can't take a bunch of stuff away from one side of the debate, nothing away from the other side, and claim that your proposal is "good for all sides". Your proposal clearly is heavily favouring those people who think Vacation time is bad.

MathBandit
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varelse1

@Mathbandit

Okay. But that still doesn't explain why, when you come off vacation, your clock should reset. you should get like 6 hours tops.

Instead of let clock run for 3 days. Auto vacation, one day.

Let clock run for 3 days. Auto vacation, one day.

Let clock run for 3 days. Auto vacation, one day.

Let clock run for 3 days. Auto vacation, one day.

Trolling 30 days of vacation over 120 days. There have been numerous simple solutions on this thread alone which would make Vacations less easily abusable. Thereby making Chess.com more enjoyable.

kiloNewton

don't like vacation!

Ubik42
GLA_Jarmen_Kell wrote:

@MathBandit: My proposal is for real vacation-users. Do they lose anything? No. If I am on vacation, somewhere on the beach, swimming, spending time with family etc., then I am not logging in to chess.com. If I spend my vacation at home and don't want to play chess during that time, then I don't log in to chess.com.

This is about restricting something so it cannot be easily abused, but still being good to use for all. If you want to chat, then let the chat be available, but no games. Titled players already get an advantage here of having life-time premium membership and starting with 2000 rating overall. And in their business it makes sense to be able to have 2 vacations in such a short time. In which other job can you have that? So it isn't restricting you.

I sometimes use vacation time more than once a week.

Which blows a hole in your theory.

Ubik42
varelse1 wrote:

@Mathbandit

Okay. But that still doesn't explain why, when you come off vacation, your clock should reset. you should get like 6 hours tops.

Instead of let clock run for 3 days. Auto vacation, one day.

Let clock run for 3 days. Auto vacation, one day.

Let clock run for 3 days. Auto vacation, one day.

Let clock run for 3 days. Auto vacation, one day.

Trolling 30 days of vacation over 120 days. There have been numerous simple solutions on this thread alone which would make Vacations less easily abusable. Thereby making Chess.com more enjoyable.

What in the world makes you think the clock resets?

Ubik42

Who can afford it? thats what credit cards are for.

EricFleet

If you can only join one tournament, then simply join a no-vacation tournament. I am not sure what the fuss is about.

EricFleet

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MathBandit

GLA_Jarmen_Kell: That's great that you use the Vacation feature when you're on the beach swimming; I actually happen to bring my mobile device on actual vacations and so have no problem playing in my games on my spare time. What I do use it for, though, is if I'm facing a crunchtime at the end of my Semester of school and can't make sure I come on every day to play moves in a dozen games of chess. I might have a 15-minute break when I want to peruse the forums, though, or do a couple of TT problems.
Similarly, I am an active member of Scouts Canada, and there are definitely times of the year when I have camping trips for two (or even three or four!) weekends in a row. These are camping trips where I do not have access to any sort of technology, up to and including cell service, from Friday night to Sunday late afternoon. That would be a time when I would make use of Vacations with less than a week in between. Alternatively, imagine I go on a 3-week Vacation where I don't bring my phone (another country, say). If I happen to get a window for a couple of hours where I'm on a computer, I might decide to play in all my ongoing Chess games, but I definitely wouldn't if I had to wait a week before I could go right back on Vacation; this would then actually further slow down all the games I'm in!

@varelse1 - How many times would you like me to repeat that I have dozens of times come back from Vacation when my time didn't reset, and I had under 8 hours of clock left? I'm up to three times saying it in this thread already, but might try another language next time. What would you say is more likely: that I misread how many minutes I had left in my move in hundreds of games, or that you are mistaken about how much time your opponent has on his clock in a single game?