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badger_song

Where did I get the idea that TD's get wide latitude on rules interpretation?Well,among other things,from observing TD"s exercise wide latitude in rules intrepretation...thats where.

Martin_Stahl

Just because a TD does something doesn't mean that they actually have wide latitude in rules interpretation. It's just they probably haven't been called on it or the "rule" was more of a guideline.

That said, back to the original topic; I looked at the results of the tourney in question and the OP played in the correct section for his provisional rating based on the results of the two games played (I'm pretty sure I have the right tournament).

intrepidattack
Martin_Stahl wrote:

Just because a TD does something doesn't mean that they actually have wide latitude in rules interpretation. It's just they probably haven't been called on it or the "rule" was more of a guideline.

That said, back to the original topic; I looked at the results of the tourney in question and the OP played in the correct section for his provisional rating based on the results of the two games played (I'm pretty sure I have the right tournament).

That's incorrect (you had to see the game, even the TD and the player's brother was surprised I blew the first game)...

I LITERALLY blew it in game one after miscalculating an exchange I forced around move 50 in an endgame (after I got tired of being two pawns up for the whole game and just dealing with attacks with insufficent material). I resigned on the spot even though I probably could have salvaged a draw. The person I played wasn't strong at all (I then watched them miss a mate in 2 rook life the next game)...

I literally suffered from "fancy play syndrome". What really bothered me is after I resigned the winner was like "You're not an 840"... 

You think?

I didn't want to draw it since I was only interested in taking first place as a whole and I only stayed for game two since I invited a friend out there and would of been a real jerk to invite him out there and just leave. (Their rating happens to be much higher than mine even though we both know I'm the better player).

I honestly should have just grinded them down for another 6 minutes on their clock, but after seeing so many subpar positional and tactical mistakes I had the ridiculous idea of creating an imbalance on the queenside and using a strong minority attack.

I was moving so quickly on my side to prevent them from pondering I didn't realize that I forced myself into a losing position around move 60. Just have to wipe off my chin and learn that rushing them doesn't mean I have to rush myself. (That person is a 1200 on this site btw... not that it matters)

I pretty much led 11 out of 12 rounds then decided to drop my hands for the final round. A terrible mental mistake that I'm glad I learned at my first game back from the table.

The second game I picked apart my opponent and they resigned before move 20 then we spent the next 30ish minutes going over the different lines of the Guccio Piano.

I didn't bother playing on day two since it was mathematically impossible for someone with 3 out of 4 points to tie for second without sharing it with two other people and I wasn't in the mood to spend another six hours playing chess an hour away to make $122 for splitting third (or worst).

Lessons learned: Always take your time... Just because I was outclassing someone for a whole game I don't earn the right to treat them like a patzer.

Martin_Stahl
intrepidattack wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:

Just because a TD does something doesn't mean that they actually have wide latitude in rules interpretation. It's just they probably haven't been called on it or the "rule" was more of a guideline.

That said, back to the original topic; I looked at the results of the tourney in question and the OP played in the correct section for his provisional rating based on the results of the two games played (I'm pretty sure I have the right tournament).

That's incorrect (you had to see the game, even the TD and the player's brother was surprised I blew the first game)...

I LITERALLY blew it in game one after miscalculating an exchange I forced around move 50 in an endgame (after I got tired of being two pawns up for the whole game and just dealing with attacks with insufficent material). I resigned on the spot even though I probably could have salvaged a draw. The person I played wasn't strong at all (I then watched them miss a mate in 2 rook life the next game)...

I literally suffered from "fancy play syndrome". What really bothered me is after I resigned the winner was like "You're not an 840"... 

You think?

I didn't want to draw it since I was only interested in taking first place as a whole and I only stayed for game two since I invited a friend out there and would of been a real jerk to invite him out there and just leave. (Their rating happens to be much higher than mine even though we both know I'm the better player).

I honestly should have just grinded them down for another 6 minutes on their clock, but after seeing so many subpar positional and tactical mistakes I had the ridiculous idea of creating an imbalance on the queenside and using a strong minority attack.

I was moving so quickly on my side to prevent them from pondering I didn't realize that I forced myself into a losing position around move 60. Just have to wipe off my chin and learn that rushing them doesn't mean I have to rush myself. (That person is a 1200 on this site btw... not that it matters)

I pretty much led 11 out of 12 rounds then decided to drop my hands for the final round. A terrible mental mistake that I'm glad I learned at my first game back from the table.

The second game I picked apart my opponent and they resigned before move 20 then we spent the next 30ish minutes going over the different lines of the Guccio Piano.

I didn't bother playing on day two since it was mathematically impossible for someone with 3 out of 4 points to tie for second without sharing it with two other people and I wasn't in the mood to spend another six hours playing chess an hour away to make $122 for splitting third (or worst).

Lessons learned: Always take your time... Just because I was outclassing someone for a whole game I don't earn the right to treat them like a patzer.

Wow, I guess I did have the wrong tournament. It must have been some other player that only played 2 rounds of a 4 round tourney, forfeiting the third round and either being withdrawn or withdrawing from the last one. Some other person that had an 840 rating after 13 games.

Martin_Stahl
Martin_Stahl wrote:

Wow, I guess I did have the wrong tournament. It must have been some other player that only played 2 rounds of a 4 round tourney, forfeiting the third round and either being withdrawn or withdrawing from the last one. Some other person that had an 840 rating after 13 games.

Forgot, in a tourney that was also G/85,d/5.

intrepidattack

I don't get what you're trying to get at?

I blew the first game after winning for over 50 moves and wrote about it.

I blew away the second person I played.

Withdrew from the tournament via email and didn't go for second day.

Your point being?

Martin_Stahl

OK, maybe the TD entered the event incorrectly. It is listed as a one-day four round event. The main point is you lost to a 1098 and blew away a 457.

I'm not saying you aren't skilled enough to be higher rated. The thing is, OTB is a much different beast than online, even live. While the chess skills may be the same, how one handles the time control, nerves, etc is different.

I had the exact same problem when I started playing again after a 10+ year hiatus. My first 16 tournaments were pretty horrific, from a results standpoint. I still feel like I'm a better player than my rating reflects (maybe not by much but some at least). I still have problems in OTB play that I'm seeking to rectify.

bigpoison

This thread was a funny, though not unexpected, little story.

Conclusion:  the op has not been sandbagging for nine years.

intrepidattack

I don't know what you're looking at, but game one was against an 1100, game two versus a 1000.

intrepidattack

One, I don't get why you feel you have to post my personal information... Aside from emotional shortcomings.

Secondly, I wouldn't call a 30 year old little... She's certainly older than me.

bigpoison

86 your name and location if you don't want folks to find your public "personal information".

Martin_Stahl
intrepidattack wrote:

I don't know what you're looking at, but game one was against an 1100, game two versus a 1000.

I was looking at pre-tourney rating on the first person and messed up and missed the second one was unrated. So, the first player ended up 1170 after the tourney.

If the link landlubberdolphin posted is incorrect, I guess you must have played in some other event and there is another player out there that matches you almost exactly Wink

Martin_Stahl
intrepidattack wrote:

One, I don't get why you feel you have to post my personal information... Aside from emotional shortcomings.

Secondly, I wouldn't call a 30 year old little... She's certainly older than me.

Nothing posted wasn't able to be found by information in this topic and your profile.

waffllemaster

We've all done stupid stuff to blow games.  Pros and WCs too.  Just keep playing.  I think it would be hard to make the mindset of "I need to win every game" work to your advantage.  Tournament games are experience.  Better to keep playing and not withdraw.

waffllemaster

Sometimes it's a bit of an emotional roller coaster.  I remember one 9 round tourney I'd play hard and lose in the end with a dumb mistake against a higher rated player.  Then I'd be depressed and play poorly and beat a lower rated player.

7 out of the 9 rounds went this way.  I won my poorly played games and lost my better played games haha.

Dodger111

Your rating here is 1500+ and you have a USCF provisional rating of 840 from years ago when you barely knew how the pieces moved, and you are getting ready for a tournament?

GO for it ! 

Since your original post was some time ago I gotta ask how it went!   

Update, please. What's your new OTB rating?

DrCheckevertim
waffllemaster wrote:

We've all done stupid stuff to blow games.  Pros and WCs too.  Just keep playing.  I think it would be hard to make the mindset of "I need to win every game" work to your advantage.  Tournament games are experience.  Better to keep playing and not withdraw.

 

Ya man, don't quit just cause you lost a game. Redeem yourself!

SocialPanda
waffllemaster wrote:

We've all done stupid stuff to blow games.  Pros and WCs too.  Just keep playing.  I think it would be hard to make the mindset of "I need to win every game" work to your advantage.  Tournament games are experience.  Better to keep playing and not withdraw.

If he withdraws from a tournament, then his rating is not updated, right?

So, now he can play again in the U-1200 section of another tournament.

bigpoison

Even if his rating were updated, he would still be able to play in the U1200 section. 

waffllemaster
socialista wrote:

If he withdraws from a tournament, then his rating is not updated, right?

No, withdrawing just lets the TD know not to pair you in future rounds (that way some guy isn't left with no opponent).  The games you played still count towards your rating.