I had not heard computers had solved standard chess yet.
Have we discovered everything there is to discover in chess?
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Yep, that's right, but it will have to sift through another 959 setups with tablebases etc 
- 960 chess in the year 2200-odd will be the revival of chess if it ever goes down in the 22nd century. The 23rd century will be owned by 960 (in the chess world lol)
varelse1 wrote:
I had not heard computers had solved standard chess yet.
We have endgame tablebases. Look it up, trust me 
But we only have 3,4,5 and recently 6-piece tablebases, the data required for 7-piece tablebases is so large it won't be out til next year. Then exponentially after that, 8 pieces, 9 pieces, until one day the 31-piece tablebases are out, then the last will be a mammoth task taking many years, even decades.
pfren wrote:
iplay_chess wrote:
I think you underestimate the potential in quantum computing.
It's you rather, the one who hasn't realized yet that this number exceeds the total sum of atoms in the whole known universe.
BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
pumpupthevolume247 wrote:
varelse1 wrote:
That's why they invented chess960.
There, we will be put right back in the day of Grecco and Lopez, inventing theory straight from scratch!
Yes totally agree! I don't actually play 960 though... I've heard that it will be around the year 2200 when our computers are powerful enough to "solve" chess so we have a lot of time still left!
WHEN chess is solved via the 32-piece endgame tablebase, (that's what it will be as we are solving chess now working backwards from the endgame, hence why the endgame is the best part of chess and so completely rules ), THEN everyone will start playing 960 instead of normal chess. Normal chess will then be a brilliant piece of human history!
I'm just glad that I won't be alive to see Chess being solved!I'd probably die from Depression If i ever see that!
JamesCoons wrote:
52! is 80658175170943878571660636856403766975289505440883277824000000000000
damn those dishonest poker players, telling people they worked out the odds themselves back in the day buy shuffling the cards so often.
TetsuoShima wrote:
JamesCoons wrote:
52! is 80658175170943878571660636856403766975289505440883277824000000000000
damn those dishonest poker players, telling people they worked out the odds themselves back in the day buy shuffling the cards so often.
They just know the odds of having a flush, 2 pair, straight, etc. and the odds of anyone having anything higher.
pumpupthevolume247 wrote:
Yep, that's right, but it will have to sift through another 959 setups with tablebases etc - 960 chess in the year 2200-odd will be the revival of chess if it ever goes down in the 22nd century. The 23rd century will be owned by 960 (in the chess world lol)
If you do it for one, its trivial do do it for 960.
Butm, as Pfren noted, good luck with doing it with standard. The claculation is huge, and you have to store the results somewhere.
Ubik42 wrote:
pumpupthevolume247 wrote:
Yep, that's right, but it will have to sift through another 959 setups with tablebases etc - 960 chess in the year 2200-odd will be the revival of chess if it ever goes down in the 22nd century. The 23rd century will be owned by 960 (in the chess world lol)
If you do it for one, its trivial do do it for 960.
Butm, as Pfren noted, good luck with doing it with standard. The claculation is huge, and you have to store the results somewhere.
I'm not solving it lol just playing it!! The people solving it are computers - they are creating the tablebases, namely the 7-piece endgame tablebase which will replace the 6-piece endgame tablebase we get with modern engines when it is finished next year. Houdini 5.0 will probably be the first engine (late 2014) to feature the 7-piece tablebase. All modern engines have 6-piece endgame tablebases that's what takes up most of the memory of the disk.
As for storage it will take up a mere nano-fracture of all the data that is stored on the WWW. - as technology improves, storing say a 10-piece endgame tablebase in 20 years time won't be that hard. I am guessing a lot of the numbers here (years-wise) but I have read a few articles about the 7-piece tablebase in the making.
linuxblue1 wrote:
Elubas wrote:
Well pfren, I would think it would be more than zero, just extremely close to zero at the same time.
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THe correct mathematical expression here is asympotically close to zero. Or in concrete terms, 1/X where X approaches infinity to produce an infintesimally small number.
But in a deck of cards, 1/X!, x doesn't approach infinity, it approaches 52. The limit of 1/X! as x approaches 52 is greater than 0.
1/52! = about 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000012397999
How's this about chess lol?? And the discussion of whether there is more to discover in the game etc... not about putting numbers into a calculator 
linuxblue1 wrote:
Chess will in my opinion be solved by 2100 with a mixture of quantum and biocomputers with human AI.
I mean, in 1900 draughts looked unsolvable as well.
1915 in Tannenwald german artillery destroyed russian cavalieri. After that debacle russian soldiers told : " in one hundred years there will be no more need for horses in army" - and no one believed it !!
tecnoecuador wrote:
linuxblue1 wrote:
Chess will in my opinion be solved by 2100 with a mixture of quantum and biocomputers with human AI.
I mean, in 1900 draughts looked unsolvable as well.
1915 in Tannenwald german artillery destroyed russian cavalieri. After that debacle russian soldiers told : " in one hundred years there will be no more need for horses in army" - and no one believed it !!
but who is going to tell that to the pope???
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So now you're saying the plan for world domination using horse warfare is not going to happen anymore?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3ug0dVCyeE
pumpupthevolume247 wrote:
Ubik42 wrote:
pumpupthevolume247 wrote:
Yep, that's right, but it will have to sift through another 959 setups with tablebases etc - 960 chess in the year 2200-odd will be the revival of chess if it ever goes down in the 22nd century. The 23rd century will be owned by 960 (in the chess world lol)
If you do it for one, its trivial do do it for 960.
Butm, as Pfren noted, good luck with doing it with standard. The claculation is huge, and you have to store the results somewhere.
I'm not solving it lol just playing it!! The people solving it are computers - they are creating the tablebases, namely the 7-piece endgame tablebase which will replace the 6-piece endgame tablebase we get with modern engines when it is finished next year. Houdini 5.0 will probably be the first engine (late 2014) to feature the 7-piece tablebase. All modern engines have 6-piece endgame tablebases that's what takes up most of the memory of the disk.
As for storage it will take up a mere nano-fracture of all the data that is stored on the WWW. - as technology improves, storing say a 10-piece endgame tablebase in 20 years time won't be that hard. I am guessing a lot of the numbers here (years-wise) but I have read a few articles about the 7-piece tablebase in the making.
The size of the hard drive required to store the 32 piece endgame of chess: larger or smaller than the star Arcturus?
tecnoecuador wrote:
linuxblue1 wrote:
Chess will in my opinion be solved by 2100 with a mixture of quantum and biocomputers with human AI.
I mean, in 1900 draughts looked unsolvable as well.
1915 in Tannenwald german artillery destroyed russian cavalieri. After that debacle russian soldiers told : " in one hundred years there will be no more need for horses in army" - and no one believed it !!
People were also sure that with antibiotics we'd have cured all disease by now and have flying cars and such. Their grasp of technology wasn't as good as ours. But I guess it does make the point we can't be overly sure of ourselves.
That's why they invented chess960.
There, we will be put right back in the day of Grecco and Lopez, inventing theory straight from scratch!
Yes totally agree! I don't actually play 960 though... I've heard that it will be around the year 2200 when our computers are powerful enough to "solve" chess so we have a lot of time still left!
WHEN chess is solved via the 32-piece endgame tablebase, (that's what it will be as we are solving chess now working backwards from the endgame, hence why the endgame is the best part of chess and so completely rules ), THEN everyone will start playing 960 instead of normal chess. Normal chess will then be a brilliant piece of human history!
if a computer can solve regular chess, it can solve 960.