Highest ELO rating a player can achieve ?

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1shtar

would that be fair under todays rules or even tomorrows rules. by putting a implant in our heads.. I think that our ratings will only rise as we live longer. more time to play and more people playing. and the size of the group of so call GM. IM. WM. and so forth. will get larger. so therefore the there is a better chance of getting bigger rating.

TupeloDanger
Scottrf wrote:
TupeloDanger wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
Balachandar wrote:

Scottrf : You assumed that the opponent will remain at 2700 level, so the maximum a player can achieve is 3400. But opponent's rating can increase too by defeating other 2700s. So, technically there's no end. 

 

Suppose, 2 top players never play each other. They play all the rest of the super GMs in the 2700s and defeat them in each and every match, they can get their ratings to 3400 each. And now if both the 3400 players play continuously vs each other and one keeps on winning, he cn reach 3600 or more. And I just assumed 2 players. So it goes on an on.

No. I just realised how many games it will take and that there aren't enough 2700 players to defeat.

I was looking at a realistic answer.

I think to be even remotely "realistic," the scenario has to assume a more or less normal distribution, i.e., a bell curve.

Given such a reality, the idea that one player could approach 3400 while his closest competitors remained around 2700 is so unlikely as to require a leap into the realm of science fiction.

Well, provide an interesting answer yourself then...

Infinity is clearly not what he was looking for and a google search would have given that answer.

He said, and I quote, "Is there any limit?"

 

The only correct answer to that is that no, there isn't any limit.  If you don't find the correct answer particularly interesting, I have no idea how to address that.  But it does appear to be the answer he was looking for.

 

OP: would you rather we just make something up for you, or did you want an actual answer?  Like, theoretically speaking, there may be no limit, but the rules of the Mystical Order of the Eight by Eight Brotherhood prophesy that on the day man first reaches 5000 ELO, the remaining chess Grandmasters are doomed to have to stalk and behead each other, Highlander-style, until only one remains, whose rating will then be set back to 1, where it will remain for eternity in perfect binary juxtaposition to the zeros bestowed upon all others irrespective of ability.

Scottrf

Amusing.

TupeloDanger

Though FWIW, the Highlander death ritual scenario is still more likely than a real world distribution where the top player outraces the field by 700-odd points.  Statistics are a thorn in the side of many a beautiful theory.

1shtar

I agree with that.. a hugh grouping of GM battleing it out like todays sports stars..which brings us back to the old grind stone (funding).

kgwkyle

Thats high; who has the highest and what is the highest?

Swarajya
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kco

I suppose the same thing for the 100m ,no way anyone can break the 7sec barrier. 

MonteChristosPawn

You never know what evolution will bring next.

Maybe a chessplaying monkey Smile

Oh no that's me :(

Vivinski

over 9000!!!

Scottrf
Vivinski wrote:

over 9000!!!

Laughing

ButWhereIsTheHorse

there should be a decent formula for calculating this, can you find it?? then you are a genius.

TadDude
windows96 wrote:

there should be a decent formula for calculating this, can you find it?? then you are a genius.

See prior post from WGM Natalia Pogonina "Techhnically there is no limit. By beating a player rated 400 points lower or more, one still gets 0.8 rating points."

Choose opponents more than 1000 points lower. This will be easier as of July 1st 2012 when the floor will be 1000 rather than 1200.

X + 0.8 + 0.8 + 0.8 + 0.8 + ............ + 0.8 + 0.8 + 0.8 = Infinity 

Repeat until FIDE tells you to stop.

Scottrf
TadDude wrote:
windows96 wrote:

there should be a decent formula for calculating this, can you find it?? then you are a genius.

See prior post from WGM Natalia Pogonina "Techhnically there is no limit. By beating a player rated 400 points lower or more, one still gets 0.8 rating points."

Choose opponents more than 1000 points lower. This will be easier as of July 1st 2012 when the floor will be 1000 rather than 1200.

X + 0.8 + 0.8 + 0.8 + 0.8 + ............ + 0.8 + 0.8 + 0.8 = Infinity 

Repeat until FIDE tells you to stop.

But her calculations are incorrect according to FIDE, try it yourself.

http://ratings.fide.com/calculator_rtd.phtm

browni3141

This is an interesting problem. I'll think about it.

Edit: I'll start with seeing what the highest achievable rating is in a pool of n players starting at 1200, for small n.

TadDude
Scottrf wrote:
TadDude wrote:
windows96 wrote:

there should be a decent formula for calculating this, can you find it?? then you are a genius.

See prior post from WGM Natalia Pogonina "Techhnically there is no limit. By beating a player rated 400 points lower or more, one still gets 0.8 rating points."

Choose opponents more than 1000 points lower. This will be easier as of July 1st 2012 when the floor will be 1000 rather than 1200.

X + 0.8 + 0.8 + 0.8 + 0.8 + ............ + 0.8 + 0.8 + 0.8 = Infinity 

Repeat until FIDE tells you to stop.

But her calculations are incorrect according to FIDE, try it yourself.

http://ratings.fide.com/calculator_rtd.phtm

A previous poster, TadDude, provided the explanation.

" http://www.fide.com/fide/handbook?id=73&view=article

8.54 A difference in rating of more than 400 points shall be counted for rating purposes as though it were a difference of 400 points (compare 8.58)."

browni3141
TadDude wrote:
stromy_king wrote:

Even though the differance is more than 400. U must gain a little every time U will . SO MATHAMATICALY (LOGICALY) THERE IS NO UPPER LIMIT. NO SEILING.

THE FLOOR IS 1200.

I believe you are saying, for the purpose of ratings calculation, the maximum difference is 400.

http://www.fide.com/fide/handbook?id=73&view=article

"8.54 A difference in rating of more than 400 points shall be counted for rating purposes as though it were a difference of 400 points (compare 8.58)."

***

The floor will be 1000 in 2012 July. Used to be 2000 but I must assume there are fees involved?  http://www.fide.com/component/content/article/1-fide-news/5314-2nd-quarter-fide-presidential-board-meeting-at-al-ain-united-arab-emirates.html

"The Board decided to implement the recommendation of the Qualification Chairman and Rating Administrator to lower the rating floor to 1000 and produce the rating list on a monthly basis. It was agreed that this should come into effect from July 1st 2012."

Oops, I didn't know about this rule. I'll calculate it assuming this rule doesn't exist

Scottrf
TadDude wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
TadDude wrote:
windows96 wrote:

there should be a decent formula for calculating this, can you find it?? then you are a genius.

See prior post from WGM Natalia Pogonina "Techhnically there is no limit. By beating a player rated 400 points lower or more, one still gets 0.8 rating points."

Choose opponents more than 1000 points lower. This will be easier as of July 1st 2012 when the floor will be 1000 rather than 1200.

X + 0.8 + 0.8 + 0.8 + 0.8 + ............ + 0.8 + 0.8 + 0.8 = Infinity 

Repeat until FIDE tells you to stop.

But her calculations are incorrect according to FIDE, try it yourself.

http://ratings.fide.com/calculator_rtd.phtm

A previous poster, TadDude, provided the explanation.

" http://www.fide.com/fide/handbook?id=73&view=article

8.54 A difference in rating of more than 400 points shall be counted for rating purposes as though it were a difference of 400 points (compare 8.58)."

Ah OK apologies to yourself and Natalia.

So technically I can get the highest rating ever just by beating my brother a few thousand times? Seems poor.

dancd

For the maximum to be infinite points there would have to be an infinite number of people playing and an infinite amount of time so they can play. This is certainly not the case and I would bet not before 20 years you will se Carlsen beat 3100. If he continues the way he is.

The higher it gets the harder it gets to get higher so it doesn't really make sense SINCE the rating you have is based on your opponents'. For example older great chess players in history could not have a rating as high as today's ratings since there were a lot less grandmasters.

I would like to see the time when they calculate an accurate rating that is not based on opponents' strongness but on OWN strongness.

LavaRook

over 9000