Fiveofswords: " Because autism isnt real."

That´s stretching it.  I work with autistic people, and they are real, and so is their condition.  It´s true that you cant physically point at any object or whatever within them and say; there´s the autism, but that doesn´t mean it doesn´t exist.  Have you been in love some time? Do you believe that people can fall in love.  That this "in love" feeling is a real thing, explained and accknowledged as something that exist? Most people know about it, but can science point it out, measure it?  No, not like you can with cancer. But, as with autism,  you can see brain activity that are spesific for both conditions.

Never met one.

I disagree, I have spent 10 years in education working with Asperger's sufferers. This is a clinical description of their malady taken from Psychology Today by a leading psychologist in the field: 

" Asperger-monsters are the most self-centred, selfish pieces of shit on the planet. Devoid of empathy, social reasoning, social context, or self-awareness, they are subhuman meat-calculators, who live to collect and catalogue items like barcodes, bottletops, and plastic crap. Common symptoms of Asperger's Syndrome include failing at social interaction and empathy, failing at communication, failing at getting a job, failing at life, failing at hygiene, becoming obsessed with cartoons or video games, and breaking out into fits of Stress™ when their strict routines are broken or when they're asked to stop being lazy, self-serving leeches living off the government and their parents, and it is almost certainly a choice."

For the complete article, go here: 

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Aspergers_Syndrome

Autism is real, it can be even seen on mri: http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/20110902/mri-shows-differences-in-autistic-brain

It doesn't answer what you're asking specifically, but I thought this article was pretty interesting. Skip down to page 10 to get to the portion examining IQ and chess. I found it surprising that figural IQ didn't correlate with chess rating, but verbal IQ and numerical IQ did. I would have thought spatial skill would matter, but maybe chess benefits from a certain type of figural ability that the IQ test didn't get at. Dunno.

http://www.ifvll.ethz.ch/people/sterne/Grabner_Stern_Neubauer_Acta_2006.pdf

I have aspergers. Yes it is a disorder. Some have it mild,some have it moderate. I am not a retard. There is science involved. I have only been on medicine 2x for anger issues. I currently still show signs of aspergers. I may have a lesser form of it,but I still have it. If anyone has anything against it and agree with Fiveofswords' post,I dare you to talk to someone with aspergers personally and then rethink your views.  

Does personalty disorder count as mental disorder?

Dodger111 wrote:

Fiveofswords wrote:

For the complete article, go here: 

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Aspergers_Syndrome

You do know that the "If you have been offended by this article" link leads to a porn site.

Gata Kamsky,he was a victim of child abuse.

If it did, there are not too many world champions who could escape.

Man claiming to be mentally retarded recorded playing chess in jail

http://archive.9news.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=91405

That settles it.  Anybody who plays chess is a retard.

I have been diagnosed as aspergers. I use chess and other things to help my social skills. I have never been to a camp. I was diagnosed at the end of 1st semester kindergarten dec 2006. I am in 9th grade now. I have overcome a lot since then,but I still have a ways to go. 

Thanks for the link. Very interesting.

The fact that no correlation between rating and fluid intelligence (figural/spatial tasks on the IQ tests assess fluid intelligence) was found in this particular study isn't all that surprising to me.

Chess is a system that has to be learned through time. It's pretty much like a language. Once you learn the basics, your proficiency is not so much a product of your ability to learn through novel situations (fluid intelligence) as it is of how efficiently you apply prelearned knowledge to problem solving (crystallized intelligence) + practice.

Thinking a little more about it, I realize that it is indeed unlikely that playing strength is significantly correlated with fluid intelligence (at least for the vast majority of players) because that would have to entail monumental cognitive ability (way beyond the threshold of genius level IQ, I imagine) just to brute force a few board positions on the fly. Only computers do that reliably. Better to shortcut and rely on heuristics, referring to a database of patterns and knowledge stored in memory to solve (most of) the problem.

Since chess skill is highly dependent on knowledge and experience, it's natural to see a correlation with measures of crystallized intelligence (verbal and numerical). Sort of system-specific intelligence.

Maybe the correlation, if any, between fluid intelligence and playing strength is more significant in the very lowest (beginners) and highest levels of play (top GMs)...

Of course, we're not talking about actual intelligence here. IQ is just an assessment of cognitive abilities, but that's beyond the point.

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