How bad were the old "GM's" really

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JamieDelarosa

Here is Game #2 from the Steintz-Lasker match in 1894.  Steinitz played a near-flawless game.  1800 or 1900 level players don't frequently play this well:

Steinitz: 0 inaccuracies, 0 mistakes, 0 blunders, 11 average centipawn loss

Lasker: 4 inaccuracies, 2 mistakes, 0 blunders, 26 average centipwn loss



PremiumDuck

Another messy game

PremiumDuck

Queens out first and attacking with the king seems to have been their main strategy

Dodger111

The GM's of 100 years ago would be at best 1700-1800 players today ?

That is monumental conceit to the point of retardation.  

PremiumDuck
Dodger111 wrote:

The GM's of 100 years ago would be at best 1700-1800 players today ?

That is monumental conceit to the point of retardation.  

'They were not bad for their day but looking at some of their games I believe they are not much stronger than about 1800-1900 max today.'

 

I said 1800-1900, you got my statement wrong which is why it offended you, but please check before launching into attacks , the mistake is yours. Remember be civil and nice.

 
Dodger111
PremiumDuck wrote:
Dodger111 wrote:

The GM's of 100 years ago would be at best 1700-1800 players today ?

That is monumental conceit to the point of retardation.  

'They were not bad for their day but looking at some of their games I believe they are not much stronger than about 1800-1900 max today.'

 

I said 1800-1900, you got my statement wrong which is why it offended you, but please check before launching into attacks , the mistake is yours. Remember be civil and nice.

 

You are quibbling, 100 points is not that big a difference, and at any rate on your very next post you said you may have been optimistic about them even being 1800-1900. 

I'm stunned that anyone would make such a claim, it's ridiculous. . 

PremiumDuck
Dodger111 wrote:
PremiumDuck wrote:
Dodger111 wrote:

The GM's of 100 years ago would be at best 1700-1800 players today ?

That is monumental conceit to the point of retardation.  

'They were not bad for their day but looking at some of their games I believe they are not much stronger than about 1800-1900 max today.'

 

I said 1800-1900, you got my statement wrong which is why it offended you, but please check before launching into attacks , the mistake is yours. Remember be civil and nice.

 

You are quibbling, 100 points is not that big a difference, and at any rate on your very next post you said you may have been optimistic about them even being 1800-1900. 

I'm stunned that anyone would make such a claim, it's ridiculous. . 

Well ,you are welcome on my thread and you are welcome to disagree and free to share your opinion but is it really neccassery to being insulting and hostile in the process?

Play2Lose

I love how when you are trying to belittle the old masters you use the Immortal Game to back up your arguement.

Also, if they are rated 1800-1900 then how would you, a 1400 "definitely" be a title contender anyway?  Atleast have a consistent arguement...

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Play2Lose wrote:

I love how when you are trying to belittle the old masters you use the Immortal Game to back up your arguement.

Also, if they are rated 1800-1900 then how would you, a 1400 "definitely" be a title contender anyway?  Atleast have a consistent arguement...

Hey I have just started on cc , I would love to start at 2000+ but I have to work my way up man , I have only played one game!! For Pete's sake do some better research. 

I have clearly shown in the games provided they were patzers whereas you have no evidence that they were great. 

I am not trying to belittle them i am just saying they would not be rated as GM's today.

Dodger111
PremiumDuck wrote:
Play2Lose wrote:

I love how when you are trying to belittle the old masters you use the Immortal Game to back up your arguement.

Also, if they are rated 1800-1900 then how would you, a 1400 "definitely" be a title contender anyway?  Atleast have a consistent arguement...

Hey I have just started on cc , I would love to start at 2000+ but I have to work my way up man , I have only played one game!! For Pete's sake do some better research. 

I have clearly shown in the games provided they were patzers whereas you have no evidence that they were great. 

I am not trying to belittle them i am just saying they would not be rated as GM's today.

Patzers? 

Words fail me.  

 

Check Marshall's "shower of gold" move and tell me he was a patzer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levitsky_versus_Marshall

PremiumDuck

Good god !!! I see what you are saying I have never seen a move like that!!

Not exactly awesome but even if it was then there is still such a thing as the law of avareges ,even a broken clock is correct twice a day....

PremiumDuck
chessmicky wrote:

Put Steinitz, or Morphy or any of the great 19th century players in a Simul against 50 clones of the premium duck, and the grandmaster will score between 95 and 100%

aha! so only 97.5 % then! so much for being a gm

pfren

But its not easy to put 50 GreedyDucks in the same room without triggering the wankometer's emergency alarm.

PremiumDuck
pfren wrote:

But its not easy to put 50 GreedyDucks in the same room without triggering the wankometer's emergency alarm.

Again with the greedy thing, I have openly admitted to being the late solastalgia in a higher more pure form ,who is greedy?

PremiumDuck
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PremiumDuck
chessmicky wrote:

From your picture, it's clear that you wouldn't be grandmaster material even in the 13th century

Don't hold back man, just attack me and be insulting, heck I don't mind being nice and helpful while taking a broadside from every cow-poke that feels like hurling some mud in my direction.

PremiumDuck
chessmicky wrote:

Lighten up man! You're the guy who posted the gif. I assume it was to inspire some humorous comment. 

Sorry man, I think I have just become overly sensative to insult or even implied insult as I have taken so much verbal abuse since joining this site.

trysts
PremiumDuck wrote:
 

Sorry man, I think I have just become overly sensative to insult or even implied insult as I have taken so much verbal abuse[while being a complete angel] since joining this site.

You forgot that part, P-duckWink

TheOldReb

Maybe the abuse is encouraged when someone is being a PremiumDick ?  Surprised

Sometimes people seek trouble and then act surprised when they find it . 

Personally , I think the old masters were better than me , and trysts too !  Wink

trysts

I don't know, Reb, I think I'm taller than Paul MorphyWink

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