How big is Magnus Carlsen's ego?
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"Self-confidence is very important. If you don’t think you can win, you will take cowardly decisions in the crucial moments, out of sheer respect for your opponent. You see the opportunity but also greater limitations than you should. I have always believed in what I do on the chessboard, even when I had no objective reason to. It is better to overestimate your prospects than underestimate them." - Magnus Carlson
frankiegoestovegas wrote:
the site would benefit a lot from a "hide post" option.
Why? I don't get why some people are so bothered by this stuff. Really? Why in the world this tread bother anyone? What buttons is it pushing? I see a ton of silly, irreverant, fun, tangental, playful posts there. So why is this the one that blows your fuse?
It was an interesting thing for him to write.
Can you explain what your problem with it is?
Is it your reverence for him that I offended? Or you think "Of course he has a big ego?" Or "No, he doesn't have a big ego?" or "Who cares?" or "I already know everthing about Magnus and tournament players?"
He has the mentality of a Soviet chess master :)
now_and_zen wrote:
kaynight wrote:
Respect where it is due.
I respect him plenty. It was just an unusually bold introduction. For all I know, it his statement was Vulcan-like and factual and no ego at all. I assume a lot of the best people in many fields have big egos and it drives them to great accomplishment. In a lot of professions boasting about it to a wide audience (directly) is not so common as for competitors. Magnus definitely floats like a butterfly and stings like a bee.
If you scale it to the size it should be in proportion to his merits I'd say he comes way out on the low side compared to a huge percentage of people who post on this website.
False humility appeals to others who have big egos. I find Magnus to be utterly inoffensive. Now if you want to discuss Justin Beiber...
CARLSEN QUOTES
Self-confidence is very important. If you don’t think you can win, you will take cowardly decisions in the crucial moments, out of sheer respect for your opponent. You see the opportunity but also greater limitations than you should. I have always believed in what I do on the chessboard, even when I had no objective reason to. It is better to overestimate your prospects than underestimate them.
Some people think that if their opponent plays a beautiful game, it’s OK to lose. I don’t. You have to be merciless.
I can’t count the times I have lagged seemingly hopelessly far behind, and nobody except myself thinks I can win. But I have pulled myself in from desperate [situations]. When you are behind there are two strategies – counter-attack or all men to the defences. I’m good at finding the right balance between those.
I learnt an enormous amount, but there came a point where I found there was too much stress. It was no fun any more. Outside of the chessboard I avoid conflict, so I thought this wasn’t worth it. (on training sessions with Kaspoarov)
I started by just sitting by the chessboard exploring things. I didn’t even have books at first, and I just played by myself. I learnt a lot from that, and I feel that it is a big reason why I now have a good intuitive understanding of chess.
Of course, analysis can sometimes give more accurate results than intuition but usually it’s just a lot of work. I normally do what my intuition tells me to do. Most of the time spent thinking is just to double-check.
What I admired most about him was his ability to make what was in fact so difficult look easy to us. I try to emulate him. (on Fischer) - Magnus Carlsen
Not winning a tournament is not an option for me, unless it's no longer theoretically possible - then of course winning becomes impossible. But up to that point, not winning is just not an option. - Magnus Carlsen
For me right now I think being the world number one is a bigger deal than being the world champion because I think it shows better who plays the best chess. That sounds self-serving but I think it’s also right. (2012)
There wasn’t any particular player I modeled my game after. I tried to learn from everyone and create my own style. I studied past players. Truth be told I never had a favorite player. It’s just not my nature to go around idolizing people. I just go try to learn.
All I expect are wins and to get pleasure from the game. And if someone thinks something about me, if someone’s dissatisfied with something… that’s not my headache. I hope someday I’ll become World Champion – and I’ll make all these people happy. But even if for some reason that doesn’t happen it won’t stop me getting pleasure from chess. I’m sure of that. (2012)
Contrary to many young colleagues I do believe that it makes sense to study the classics.
I played like a child. - (13 year old Magnus after a loss in the second game of a two game rapid chess match with Kasparov - after drawing the first game)
It's easy to get obsessed with chess. That's what happened with Fischer and Paul Morphy. I don't have that same obsession. - (as interviewed in Time magazine)
I am not some sort of freak. I might be very good at chess but I'm just a normal person.
I am trying to beat the guy sitting across from me and trying to choose the moves that are most unpleasant for him and his style.
I get more upset at losing at other things than chess. I always get upset when I lose at Monopoly.
He has an extreme capacity for work, extreme determination to win and extreme perfectionism. - (on Kasparov)
eciruam wrote:
big is Magnus Carlsen's ego ?
That would be a question that only a qualified Psychiatrist could answer.
Why ?
...Because in clinical psychiatry, the ego is considered to be the part of the mind that reacts to reality and has a sense of individuality or esteem.
Is Magnus Carlsen ego-centric, that is overly selfish or overly self-centred ?...I doubt it, but maybe a qualified Behaviourist would be in a better position to provide a definitive answer.
Does Magnus Carlsen suffer from Egomania, that is...morbid egotism ?
I very much doubt it.
Is Magnus Carlsen prone to egotism ?...which is characterized by too frequent use of "I" or "me".....or characterized by self-conceit and selfishness ?
Again, I doubt it.
I also think that some people may be confusing ego and arrogance.
I do not think Magnus Carlsen is arrogant....
....I haven't studied him, therefor I could be wrong.
Again, I doubt it.
Excellent! Very well said.
The OP of this thread for example beats him by a country mile.
now_and_zen wrote:
•fun phact•
I don't think Mangus Carlsen is an egomaniac.
And I don't thing this was a hostile, uninteresting terribly inappropriate post, nor out of bounds for what I see going on in the forum. I would love to know what has specifically offended some people about this thread/topic though.
Possibly the jerk face irony of it. Why should anyone care so much what YOU think?
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"I don't think…"
"And I don't thing…'
"For what I see…"
"I would love…"
casual_chess_yo wrote:
eciruam wrote:
big is Magnus Carlsen's ego ?
That would be a question that only a qualified Psychiatrist could answer.
yeah keep talking on the internet with fancy words so u can feel important. i'd whoop u in chess, noob.
What a puzzle little guy. Which word do you think was fancy and made you feel uncomfortable?
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SheridanJupp wrote:
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Completely agree
doppelgangsterII wrote:
Possibly the jerk face irony of it. Why should anyone care so much what YOU think?
You can't reply multiple times with volumous content and feign disinterest. The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. Magnus is great. He deserves his credit. Nevertheless, if you can't see the humor and intrigue of someone wandering into reddit and just laying it out there like that, just because he's a revered figure and sacred cow of the chess community, then you are not objective enough. It's like religion. I don't think I said anything particularly rude or offensive and had no malice in my heart, but I was enjoying being playful with the subject and hoped others would too.
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now_and_zen wrote:
Nevertheless, if you can't see the humor and intrigue of someone wandering into reddit and just laying it out there like that, just because he's a revered figure and sacred cow of the chess community, then you are not objective enough.
I could be totally wrong, but I doubt that Carlsen woke up one day and thought: "Hey, I'll go to reddit, do an AMA, and brag myself up a little." I imagine it was set up by someone else (agent, publicist, etc.)
now_and_zen wrote:
The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. Apart from whatever this thread is about the opposite of love is not indifference. That's absurd.
The opposite of love is fear.
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Easier to grasp if you try to try to think of fear and run through the gamut of emotions it takes to negate it. The one and only thing effective is love.
You should know that zen master. Obviously I have as much or more to learn about all that than you do or I wouldn't use such harsh words in what I write to people.
Magnus handles himself very well and I get riled up too easily by ankle biters who self aggrandize by framing petty criticisms in public. He's entitled to state his credentials in a forum where probably some large percentage wouldn't be able to tell you the name of three grandmasters.
The only thing that brings him down a bit in my eyes is why he even bothers to post on Reddit but likely there is a financial incentive of some kind. Friending, Facebook, twitter...blabbing one's opinions to the world of strangers on websites such as this - it's the age of narcissism.
doppelgangsterII wrote:
Magnus handles himself very well and I get riled up too easily by ankle biters who self aggrandize by framing petty criticisms in public. He's entitled to state his credentials in a forum where probably some large percentage wouldn't be able to tell you the name of three grandmasters.
That's preposterous! (that was just fun to say :-))
I am as amazed by Magnus as everyone else it and have a lot of respect for him all the way around. I did at the time I posted that. There's no way to 'self-agrandize" around posting something like that. In what way could I possibly think I'm better or more accomplished or his superior in any way?
I just saw that post of his, and perceived all the things I said I thought , earlier in the thread, without rehashing all of it.
I thought it would be taken well and accepted as good spirited humor and that Magnus reputation and self-confidence etc is so solid that some fun in a forum like this is harmless, and that's all I was doing.
The weird thing is, even people who want to slap me down for starting the thread recognize that it was a bit of a weird thing to see posted there. I wanted to have some fun. Didn't mean to piss people off. Magnus has my awe and respect and intrigue. None of that has changed. Whether he has a big ego or not is not anything I can really judge him for. I don't personally believes he's an ego maniac.
Fire_Blight wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeyXKTVYenA go to 6:27
Thanks for posting. Gives you something to think about. I'd wager if he'd lost without the blunder his response to her would have been more polite. I'm thinking his reaction was extreme self disappointment for the mistake rather than anything else. He was down to five second remaining in what apparently was a bad position. It would be interesting to know if there was any sort of follow-up by him towards her when his heart rate came back to normal. Although, perhaps around her his heart rate would have a hard time reaching normal. Mine would.
Now-a-z
You have the lazy habit of feigning innocence because you just can't unnnerstand how anyone could take it wrong with what lil ol you has to say. It be disingenuous.
Let's say you wake up in the morning and rush to this website to stir up more trouble and first post you see on the forum is"
How big an asshole do you think Now_and_zen is?
or...
On a scale of 1 to 10 how well does Now_and_zen cover up his obvious conceit?
The way you frame the question is offensive from the get go and no one gives a fungus ridden toenail what your supposed personal views of the matter are.
•fun phact•
I don't think Mangus Carlsen is an egomaniac.
And I don't thing this was a hostile, uninteresting terribly inappropriate post, nor out of bounds for what I see going on in the forum. I would love to know what has specifically offended some people about this thread/topic though.