How can I get an online game terminated?

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thomas_loiselle
Phylar wrote:
king_nothing1 wrote:

Even If I don't be self centered, such snails bring bad name to correspondance chess and chess.com. Apart from that i believe that this is a gross violation of CC's 'fair play' policy which suggests  that one should not make his opponant wait unnessasary.

 

 

 

Eh, can't disagree. However, you did agree to the time frame. This is a very delicate situation as a player should be allowed to choose how long they wish to use for a move. So while this may be deemed a violation, it very well may not be.

To Staff, would it be out of this world to suggest an alternative option to the constant badgering of those who choose the # days/move? Say if the opponent has consistently shown to move immediately before their time is up in consecutive move-sets then the opponent will have the option to push the time down from say 5 days to 3 days or 3 days to 1 day for a move. I mean really, this isn't all that different from the 50-move rule in chess.

Or go with the more professional grading of x number of moves in a month rather than one move every x number of days.

the first solution is totally unfair! 'You take a lot of time to think your moves through so now I am going to decrease the time you have'! You cannot change the time control of a game after it started! I agreed to play a certain time control and I do not want it to change halfway.

 

The second solution seems better but it will not really solve the problem. This kind of opponent will keep on taking as long as they have, they will just have to do the maths in their head:

'I have 30 days to play 10 moves so I move every 3 days'Undecided

Rsava
thomas_loiselle wrote:

Nothing you can do but play faster or resign if you want the game to end sooner. Just hope he will eventually connect late and lose on time if he really does always play a few minutes before he is flagged

He doesn't. The game started on April 29, 2013 and they are on move 18. They have been playing 46 days.

That is still an avergage of only 2.55555 days per move (46 days/# of moves) . If the OPs opponent took a full 5 days per move they would only be on move 9 or 10 (46/5) IF the OP replied immediately and did not use a day here or there himself.

(edited to clarify my statements)

LazyChessPlayer3201

If you have a won position and you know how to win the position add candidate moves, if your opponent is taking to long, maybe take this time to add candidate moves. I only play longer then 3 days time control when it is a unrated game and I would use this strategy of take my time only if I think my opponent is cheating. "I have court out a cheater already with this strategy." I understand how a person must fell when you know your opponent is taking more time then he needs.

thomas_loiselle
Rsava wrote:

He doesn't. The game started on April 29, 2013 and they are on move 18. They have been playing 46 days.

That is still an avergage of only 2.55555 days per move (46 days/# of moves) . If the OPs opponent took a full 5 days per move they would only be on move 9 or 10 (46/5) IF the OP replied immediately and did not use a day here or there himself.

(edited to clarify my statements)

Still he can hope his opponent screw up in logging and playing in time. I won a few CC games like that, it happens.

And 46 days is not that long but it will surely go on for a while if he always takes 5 full days to play. It reminds me of the vote chess 960 game that lasted one year!

A solution could be a double time control: faster at the beginning (opening theory after all) and longer after. The 2 time controls and the number of move when the second one takes over could be totally customizable

Sred
Capt_Morgan wrote:
Sred wrote:

Capt_Morgan, why did you agree to play 14 days per move then? There are so many 1 day tourneys without vacation, everyone can find the time control that suits them.

What did I say? I specifically said I was a noob to chess.com and correspondence... I had no idea there were players like this. 

Yea, I learned my lesson REAL quick and now only play in 24-48 hour or 3 day tournaments. 

So everything is fine, isn't it? You made a mistake initially that was all your own fault, you learned from it, you didn't repreat the mistake.

king_nothing1

Gosh! you just don't get it rsva, do you?

Ubik42

Yes if I start a game with a 5 day time limit and my opponent doesn't move every 13 seconds then I think he should be disintegrated or de-materialized.

DrFrank124c

You are in the wrong tournament. This person has a right to use his full alloted time and if you disagree you have a right to resign. Complaining is poor sportsmanship on your part. 

Ubik42
Stigmatisert wrote:
king_nothing1 wrote:

... My opponant makes his move in the 23rd hour of 5th day ... When I asked him to be a little quicker, his reply was " I have life and I have other things to do as well." Irony is that   this 'Mr. I have a life' had 472 games going on at that time...

I think I might know who you are referring to and I have the member playing in one of the tournaments I promote.

The "problem" is that he is not violating any rules. While 5 days/move, he uses all the time he has right to.

Which brings me to my point:

There is something illogical by the intervals on the tournament filter dimension "Player move speed" (highest allowed average moving time) relative to the dimension "Time control".

The dimension:

Time-control range from 1 to 14 days / move Player move speed has the intervals "The filter Player move speed should range as least to the half of the highest possible Time-control level. (That means 7 days).

AND - in my opinion - the intervals should be on 6 hours or less.

 

It's important with flexibility, in case of weekends and such. The time-control on several day fixes that, but I don't want people to use the offered flexibility in every move... 

I want them to, though.

Sred
jason17 wrote:

I know it isn't the case with this guy, but can't you imagine a case in which a correspondence player takes the maximum time allotted in order to find a really good move? That to me would be the spirit of correspondence chess: taking all the time available so that you can play the best move that you are capable of making. This isn't live chess, so you can really play at your theoretical best. Again, your opponent isn't doing that, but I think that I should take more time with my moves, and I wish that some of my opponents would do the same.

If you don't like people using all the allotted time, then don't play CC. And on a helpful note, you can look at players profiles before you play them and see how fast on average they make their moves. Averages from 3-6 hours will let you know that the player typically always moves in less time then the time frame gives for its maximum. Play those people.

Absolutely! Even if I play my initial candidate move almost every time, it's great to get back to the position again and again, trying to understand it better and learn from it (I wish I had more spare time to do thisSmile).

qrayons

472 is a lot of games to cycle through. If he makes 100 moves a day, it would be almost 5 days in between moves for each game. I don’t see why you would sign up for 5 day per move if you wanted someone to go faster. I wouldn’t sign up for a 45 minute live game and then be mad that my opponent isn’t playing like it’s blitz.

king_nothing1

@stigmatisert... sounds resonable

Rsava
king_nothing1 wrote:

Gosh! you just don't get it rsva, do you?

I get it, YOU don't get it.

First, you say your opponent is making every move (wait, let me quote) "My opponent makes his move in the 23rd hour of 5th day."  

But if that was true and you replied IMMEDIATELY your game would only be on move 9 or 10.

Second, you then said (again, quote), "No wonder it has been more than 3 months and we have played 18 moves so far." 

The game started April 29, 2013. That is 46 days. I am not sure what calendar you use but on the one the rest of the world uses that is only a month and a half.

Third, you agreed to play by those rules. If this was what I think is vacation abuse I would be right there with you. This is someone who is playing at a decent clip and using his full alloted time.

Conquistador

I don't understand what the fuss is about.  You are playing an extremely fast game.  I have had games on here last 3 years and reach the 20th move.  You can wait.

Ubik42
Rsava wrote:
king_nothing1 wrote:

Gosh! you just don't get it rsva, do you?

I get it, YOU don't get it.

First, you say your opponent is making every move (wait, let me quote) "My opponent makes his move in the 23rd hour of 5th day."  

But if that was true and you replied IMMEDIATELY your game would only be on move 9 or 10.

Second, you then said (again, quote), "No wonder it has been more than 3 months and we have played 18 moves so far." 

The game started April 29, 2013. That is 46 days. I am not sure what calendar you use but on the one the rest of the world uses that is only a month and a half.

Third, you agreed to play by those rules. If this was what I think is vacation abuse I would be right there with you. This is someone who is playing at a decent clip and using his full alloted time.

I had to wave all the blue smoke away from the monitor after this post.

PastorRob

Stop focusing on the game. Ignore it and play other games.

What's the rush? 

JagdeepSingh

Well, why not try to do pre-moves & see his response.  Some will oblige & but mostly won't as they play too many games & are fighting against time.  BTW consider yourself lucky that your opponent has not yet used his vacation time (there is at least 30 days in a year)

Alternatively, if it is really bothering you, just resign.  The points lost can always be gained back.  Points are nothing.  I have resigned games before as i found my opponent to be disrespectful.  No use playing with just for the sake of points or even EGO.  After that i banned him so that i don't have to meet him again.  

Dragonbice

I didn't read all the posts, maybe someone has already suggested such an option - however:

Being able to set more specific or custom time limits is a good idea, in my opinion. What I'm thinking of is being able to customize time limit settings so that after, let's say 40 moves, you will have to make a move within, let's say 3 days instead of 5, and after 50 moves, you'll have 1 day (or whatever) and so on.

I never play "online" chess (as they call it...) because even if my time settings are 3 days and not 5, I still find myself in nonsensical end games where I have to mate the other guy's lonesome king and it takes a month just to promote a pawn because I have to wait 3 days for the other guy's meaningless king move. So, if the time limit automatically dropped after a certain number of moves, these types of eternal games and silly endgames could be avoided.

ivandh

OK, this guy is a jagoff, but:

I've never had anyone take the full three days for consecutive moves except when they were losing badly. Anyone who has played a single game of correspondence chess can expect that moves will take place when they can and not at the very last moment every single time.

Yes, players are allowed to take that much time; but that's not written in stone. We can change it to make the system work a little better... or not.

Rsava
Dragonbice wrote:

 

I never play "online" chess (as they call it...) because even if my time settings are 3 days and not 5, I still find myself in nonsensical end games where I have to mate the other guy's lonesome king and it takes a month just to promote a pawn because I have to wait 3 days for the other guy's meaningless king move. So, if the time limit automatically dropped after a certain number of moves, these types of eternal games and silly endgames could be avoided.

Is it preventing you from doing other things?

I could see if perhaps you weren't allowed to eat or drink unless it was your turn, or if it caused you to miss you child's birthday party or a doctor appointment.

But I check my games at least once a day, usually more, and go live my life otherwise.

I have no problem with your suggestion as long as it remains an option only and the standard is how it is played today.

But rememebr, it would only add complexity to the site and make it more difficult to maintain. 8 million subscribers, say 3 miilion a day actually using it (I do not know the figure, it is just an example) and 1% have issues with all the different time controls. That is 30,000 a day. That is a lot of people complaining about something that really doesn't need to be changed.