How did chess prodigies like Abhimanyu Mishra train to become GMs?

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Niska1

What kind of training did most prodigies do (Abhimanyu Mishra, Nihal Sarin, Praggu, Abdusattorov etc.) to become a GM? I know that they trained 10-12 hours a day but what kind of training? With a coach?

llama47
Niska1 wrote:

I know that they trained 10-12 hours a day.

How do you know that?

llama47

Anyway, 1000s of kids train hard, only a few become very strong GMs.

When it comes to skills (not juts chess), the way to be the best version of yourself is:
1. Passion
2. Systematic work over a long period of time

And that's it.

CrusaderKing1
llama47 wrote:

Anyway, 1000s of kids train hard, only a few become very strong GMs.

When it comes to skills (not juts chess), the way to be the best version of yourself is:
1. Passion
2. Systematic work over a long period of time

And that's it.

Not some miracle born talent. He was trained to do it. Prodigy is an overrated term. Mostly due to his environment.

Mishra was part of a group that received training from 13th world chess champion Garry Kasparov in the summer of 2019. 

CrusaderKing1
llama47 wrote:

Anyway, 1000s of kids train hard, only a few become very strong GMs.

When it comes to skills (not juts chess), the way to be the best version of yourself is:
1. Passion
2. Systematic work over a long period of time

And that's it.

Also money. Welcome to the real world.

"Mishra’s father, Hemant, had a lot at stake in seeing his son claim the title. He said he spent more than $270,000 on making his son the world’s youngest grandmaster, and he had been collecting donations online to make their chess dream come true. The small advantages that the money could buy — in scheduling, in opposition, in timing — began to add up as he closed in on his final norm".

Rancid-Knight

I didn't know his dad spent so much money on the little brat.

BestSell
Niska1 wrote:

What kind of training did most prodigies do (Abhimanyu Mishra, Nihal Sarin, Praggu, Abdusattorov etc.) to become a GM? I know that they trained 10-12 hours a day but what kind of training? With a coach?

He's on the forums, so you could ask him. Though I'm not sure he'd reveal his training regimen.

His mother has said, in interviews, that he trains 12 hours a day. And Grandmaster Arun Prasad has been his personal coach.

These days, you're not going to find a young player of that caliber without a coach. Even Magnus Carlsen was a struggling amateur, until he received master-level coaching.

CrusaderKing1
BestSell wrote:
Niska1 wrote:

What kind of training did most prodigies do (Abhimanyu Mishra, Nihal Sarin, Praggu, Abdusattorov etc.) to become a GM? I know that they trained 10-12 hours a day but what kind of training? With a coach?

He's on the forums, so you could ask him. Though I'm not sure he'd reveal his training regimen.

His mother has said, in interviews, that he trains 12 hours a day. And Grandmaster Arun Prasad has been his personal coach.

These days, you're not going to find a young player of that caliber without a coach. Even Magnus Carlsen was a struggling amateur, until he received master-level coaching.

Well said. 

IvanCheckmatenov

GM norms need to be re-evaluated. He beat another kid slightly older than him. It's not like he entered a top 100 GM tournament. He got knocked out in the first round of the World Cup. 

 

This would be like going crazy over Dominique Moceanu. Oh, you never heard of her? Yea, she never made it big like Tiger Woods or Michael Phelps.

 

People are making too much out of this "youngest" category.

tygxc

I do not know about these kids, but I know about Judit Polgar:
https://www.amazon.com/Chess-5334-Problems-Combinations-Games/dp/1579125549 

Niska1
BestSell wrote:
Niska1 wrote:

What kind of training did most prodigies do (Abhimanyu Mishra, Nihal Sarin, Praggu, Abdusattorov etc.) to become a GM? I know that they trained 10-12 hours a day but what kind of training? With a coach?

He's on the forums, so you could ask him. Though I'm not sure he'd reveal his training regimen.

His mother has said, in interviews, that he trains 12 hours a day. And Grandmaster Arun Prasad has been his personal coach.

These days, you're not going to find a young player of that caliber without a coach. Even Magnus Carlsen was a struggling amateur, until he received master-level coaching.


I don’t think Mishra would have even been an FM without all this training and money being spent by his father.

BestSell
Niska1 wrote:

I don’t think Mishra would have even been an FM without all this training and money being spent by his father.

Very few (if any) people in the world can reach FM without training and resources.

See my earlier post: even Magnus Carlsen was a struggling amateur, until he received master-level coaching.

BestSell
IvanCheckmatenov wrote:

He got knocked out in the first round of the World Cup.

To be fair, Mishra's first opponent in the World Cup was Baadur Jobova -- a strong, experienced grandmaster who dips in and out of the SuperGM category, and who reached as high as #19 in the world.

Jobova would be a tough opponent for most GMs to face, let alone a 12-year-old boy who only recently became one.

I mean, when Carlsen became a new GM, he got kicked around by the more experienced GMs. He bled points for 12 months straight.

It kind of comes with the territory, and is part of the learning curve.

masterpippesao

all people in this web are stupid 

everydaymachines

This article does a pretty good job explaining the process

IvanCheckmatenov
BestSell wrote:
IvanCheckmatenov wrote:

He got knocked out in the first round of the World Cup.

To be fair, Mishra's first opponent in the World Cup was Baadur Jobova -- a strong, experienced grandmaster who dips in and out of the SuperGM category, and who reached as high as #19 in the world.

Jobova would be a tough opponent for most GMs to face, let alone a 12-year-old boy who only recently became one.

I mean, when Carlsen became a new GM, he got kicked around by the more experienced GMs. He bled points for 12 months straight.

It kind of comes with the territory, and is part of the learning curve.

 

Getting a norm shouldn't be a learning curve. It is an accomplishment of your talents. Instead of making excuses for someone's failures, we should have tournaments that are better matching players. The same thing happened with Hou Yifan, and recently we are seeing Kasparov the crumbling of this idea that older players are still strong, just not in classical. 

 

Let's put GMs in categories. Age could be one. Have a tournament of GMs under 18. Instead of matching high and low, which is what giving a bye to the top 50 was supposed to accomplish, we should pair up players more based on rating ranges. 

 

I am happy to see Mishra's accomplishments, but wouldn't you rather see him get paired with other players first instead of making excuses for a faulty system?

Niska1
IvanCheckmatenov wrote:
BestSell wrote:
IvanCheckmatenov wrote:

He got knocked out in the first round of the World Cup.

To be fair, Mishra's first opponent in the World Cup was Baadur Jobova -- a strong, experienced grandmaster who dips in and out of the SuperGM category, and who reached as high as #19 in the world.

Jobova would be a tough opponent for most GMs to face, let alone a 12-year-old boy who only recently became one.

I mean, when Carlsen became a new GM, he got kicked around by the more experienced GMs. He bled points for 12 months straight.

It kind of comes with the territory, and is part of the learning curve.

 

Getting a norm shouldn't be a learning curve. It is an accomplishment of your talents. Instead of making excuses for someone's failures, we should have tournaments that are better matching players. The same thing happened with Hou Yifan, and recently we are seeing Kasparov the crumbling of this idea that older players are still strong, just not in classical. 

 

Let's put GMs in categories. Age could be one. Have a tournament of GMs under 18. Instead of matching high and low, which is what giving a bye to the top 50 was supposed to accomplish, we should pair up players more based on rating ranges. 

 

I am happy to see Mishra's accomplishments, but wouldn't you rather see him get paired with other players first instead of making excuses for a faulty system?


There are already tournaments for under 18 GMs but they are online. Junior speed chess championship, and Julius Baers challengers https://challengerschesstour.com 

Niska1
BestSell wrote:
Niska1 wrote:

I don’t think Mishra would have even been an FM without all this training and money being spent by his father.

Very few (if any) people in the world can reach FM without training and resources.

See my earlier post: even Magnus Carlsen was a struggling amateur, until he received master-level coaching.


It says on your profile you don’t believe in natural talent. Then how did Nihal Sarin solve these endgame puzzles blindfolded at only the age of 11?

 


And Magnus Carlsen explaining how his mind works 

 

”I don’t have to figure it out. I don’t have to sit there and calculate to know the right move.”

”Usually I can just feel it immediately”

How is this not natural talent? Who can train so hard to develop such an intuition? And he once said he could remember 10,000 games in his head!

Laskersnephew
Gambit_Man wrote:

I didn't know his dad spent so much money on the little brat.

I've seen this kid playing at the Hamilton Chess Club Quads a few times. He seemed like a perfectly nice kid

IvanCheckmatenov
Niska1 wrote:
IvanCheckmatenov wrote:
BestSell wrote:
IvanCheckmatenov wrote:

He got knocked out in the first round of the World Cup.

To be fair, Mishra's first opponent in the World Cup was Baadur Jobova -- a strong, experienced grandmaster who dips in and out of the SuperGM category, and who reached as high as #19 in the world.

Jobova would be a tough opponent for most GMs to face, let alone a 12-year-old boy who only recently became one.

I mean, when Carlsen became a new GM, he got kicked around by the more experienced GMs. He bled points for 12 months straight.

It kind of comes with the territory, and is part of the learning curve.

 

Getting a norm shouldn't be a learning curve. It is an accomplishment of your talents. Instead of making excuses for someone's failures, we should have tournaments that are better matching players. The same thing happened with Hou Yifan, and recently we are seeing Kasparov the crumbling of this idea that older players are still strong, just not in classical. 

 

Let's put GMs in categories. Age could be one. Have a tournament of GMs under 18. Instead of matching high and low, which is what giving a bye to the top 50 was supposed to accomplish, we should pair up players more based on rating ranges. 

 

I am happy to see Mishra's accomplishments, but wouldn't you rather see him get paired with other players first instead of making excuses for a faulty system?


There are already tournaments for under 18 GMs but they are online. Junior speed chess championship, and Julius Baers challengers https://challengerschesstour.com 

 

I don't know what your reply means. Because there are online tournaments, Mishra should play one round in OTB?

 

The World Cup is a pretty big event. The top two get invited to the candidates. But we are going to give a 12 year old a seat against the elite just because he has a superlative category now associated with him?

 

I am interested in seeing an OTB tournament like the World Cup especially that pairs people within a rating range. Again this is the whole point in giving the top 50 a bye.