How do I defend the arguement that chess is a sport?

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ThePersonAboveYou

I don't really think it's about logic when physical ability isn't the focus and is clearly defined

BigChessplayer665

Actually you do have to stay in shape you could get a heart attack from the stress(160+ beats per min for heart rate) chess causes especially in blitz otb cause you still burn thousands of calories in chess so it does require physical exertion just in A very very different way from the norm

If you have high blood pressure or have diabetes or something like that your at risk of getting a heart attack in the middle of game so fit=important

ThePersonAboveYou

1. Fitness is not the main point of competitiveness in chess it is about being more skilled in the game itself. Its not like a really buff guy who is 300 rated will beat a grandmaster of normal strength. Sports is the battle of physical physical ability 2. I said physical ability not how fit you are to be able to play 3. Like one of the posters here said, everything requires you to be physically fit enough and have enough nutrients to do something. So then that becomes obsolete

BigChessplayer665
x6px wrote:

1. Fitness is not the main point of competitiveness in chess it is about being more skilled in the game itself. Its not like a really buff guy who is 300 rated will beat a grandmaster of normal strength. Sports is the battle of physical physical ability 2. I said physical ability not how fit you are to be able to play 3. Like one of the posters here said, everything requires you to be physically fit enough and have enough nutrients to do something. So then that becomes obsolete

True but being fit aka being healthy (not always working out) still helps a lot due to the stress certain sports can cause

lfPatriotGames
BigChessplayer665 wrote:

Well that's why there's the world chess championship it just depends how you do it wither or not chess is a sport

Let me ask you a hypothetical question. Imagine a very talented chess player. He is blessed with an incredible memory, can envision the board (with pieces) much more clearly than most people. His brain is just wired that way. He even has played and beaten Carlsen 4 times. Lost none.

But he was in a terrible accident as a child. He has no arms and his vocal cords were severely damaged. He is very difficult to understand. So he uses his eyes to look at a computer screen, which recognizes his eye movements and translates that into language and commands we can understand. Obviously, someone else makes the moves for him. His unfortunate condition allows him to pursue chess much more than the average person might.

So when this person competes in the world chess championship, and only his eyes are moving, is he participating in a sport? He is very good. No elevated heart rate, very little stress. For him, it's fun. The world chess champion on the other hand is very stressed out. He's not used to being beaten so easily. His heart rate is elevated, he's sweating, and he's burning a lot of calories.

Is one person competing in a sport while the other is not? What is your opinion on that particular scenario of very high level chess?

BigChessplayer665

I wouldn't say he's participating in a sport ,really depends on the person if it is besides I thought no taking was allowed during the chess games how can the move he pieces if he can talk to others?

ThePersonAboveYou

#525 yep, that is true but this is a debate about chess being a sport, not if physical ability matters or not, kinda like saying humanity is older than 500 years, that is true but barely has meaning compared to saying its older than 200,000

lfPatriotGames
BigChessplayer665 wrote:

I wouldn't say he's participating in a sport ,really depends on the person if it is besides I thought no taking was allowed during the chess games how can the move he pieces if he can talk to others?

And that is the point. Because he is not using any physical skill or exertion, it's not a sport. Chess does not REQUIRE physical skill or exertion. Sports do.

So what about the reigning world champion, who is stressed out and sweating? They are both playing the same game, at the same time. Is one participating in a sport, while the other isn't?

BigChessplayer665

Some sports require physical exertion some don't ....

BigChessplayer665

https://www.thesportingwords.com/olympic-sports-that-are-less-physically-demanding-but-still-equally-challenging/

Horse racing I think is one all your doing is sitting doesn't make it any less difficult form a normal sport

Same as car racing

lfPatriotGames
BigChessplayer665 wrote:

Some sports require physical exertion some don't ....

Name a single sport that does not require physical exertion. Or even participation.

BigChessplayer665

Car racing ,horse racing prob others

lfPatriotGames
BigChessplayer665 wrote:

https://www.thesportingwords.com/olympic-sports-that-are-less-physically-demanding-but-still-equally-challenging/

Horse racing I think is one all your doing is sitting doesn't make it any less difficult form a normal sport

Same as car racing

Both of those are VERY physically demanding. The physical skill needed to drive a race car is a rare skill. Not everyone can do it, even with years of practice.

BigChessplayer665

Archery rifle shooting golf.... So on

BigChessplayer665

There are many sports that rnt physically demanding I don't see why chess cant be one it already is a sport anyway

ThePersonAboveYou

Chess is mind game not physical game

BigChessplayer665

But the minds a mussle(like a mussle) so it makes it physical sort of

ThePersonAboveYou

It's not that there is a guideline that says "you need to burn at least 1000 calories for it to be a sport" it's just that it's not the focus

BigChessplayer665

Never said there was a guidline of burn at least 1000 calories I said it does happen in chess events all I meant by that was it was physically demanding due to the amount of energy some people burn

ThePersonAboveYou

#538 yeah okay but you also use your mind for your muscles. it doesn't really matter that you use muscle in it it's How it's used here