How do I defend the arguement that chess is a sport?

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lfPatriotGames

I think after 6 shots I would be dead.

Ziryab
llama_l wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
landloch wrote:

The more important point is that chess, as a competition, is as fascinating and as worthy of admiration as any athletic sport. Explaining why is much better than quibbling over definitions.

Agreed

I've been saying that for longer than that 11 year old account has been open, and more pithy too: "a rose by any other name." That exact quote should exist somewhere in some 10+ year old topic. It also exists in this topic.

But ok, acknowledge that post, that's fine, I don't mind.

I’ve said it a few times myself.

Jolaw06

Yes, chess is recognized by the International Olympic Committee (IOC) as a sport. More than 100 countries recognize Chess as a sport as well

tomboygurl9

Defending the argument that chess is a sport can be approached from various angles, including its competitive nature, physical and mental demands, organizational structure, and recognition by official bodies. Here's a structured defense:

Competitive Nature:

Formal Competition: Chess involves organized competitions, including local, national, and international tournaments, similar to other recognized sports.
Skill and Strategy: Players require a high level of skill, strategy, and tactical thinking, akin to strategic elements in sports like football or basketball.
Physical and Mental Demands:

Mental Endurance: High-level chess games can last for several hours, requiring significant mental endurance and concentration.
Physical Stamina: While not physically strenuous, competitive chess demands physical stamina to maintain focus and performance over long periods. Players often engage in physical exercise to improve their endurance and mental sharpness.
Stress and Pressure: The stress and psychological pressure in competitive chess are comparable to those in physically demanding sports.
Organizational Structure:

Governing Bodies: Chess has established governing bodies, such as FIDE (Fédération Internationale des Échecs), which regulate competitions, establish rules, and promote the game globally.
Professional Players: There are professional chess players who earn their livelihood through the game, similar to athletes in other sports.
Recognition by Official Bodies:

International Olympic Committee (IOC): The IOC recognizes chess as a sport, and it has been included in the Asian Games and other multi-sport events.
National Recognition: Many countries have chess federations that are recognized by their respective sports ministries or councils.
Training and Preparation:

Coaching and Training: Chess players undergo rigorous training and coaching, involving studying opening theories, endgames, and participating in practice games.
Analytical Tools: Use of technology and software for analysis and improvement is common in chess, similar to how athletes use technology to enhance their performance.
Historical and Cultural Significance:

Historical Roots: Chess has a rich history and cultural significance, much like other traditional sports.
Popular Culture: Chess is widely popular and has a significant following, evidenced by its depiction in movies, books, and recent series like "The Queen's Gambit."
By emphasizing these points, you can build a strong case for why chess should be considered a sport.

this is from chatgpt. My question was How do I defend the argument that chess is a sport?

DrSpudnik
Ziryab wrote:
DrSpudnik wrote:

Gun people have no idea how uninteresting gun bla bla bla is to the rest of the world.

Imagine going to a gun site and, in a discussion thread on chopping up pellets of gunpowder, you suddenly start about whether kingpawn of queenpawn openings are better?

We are discussing the nature of sport. Guns are part of that discussion. Please behave yourself and take your hatred of certain sports to an appropriate forum.

Behave myself?? I am behaving myself. This is a topic on chess as a sport or not and tangentially and by analogy what constitutes a sport. There is no question about whether various gun activities are sports but digressions into the minutiae of gun whatnot isn't really relevant to anything. It's just virtue signalling to other gun nuts about how awesome the minutiae of gun sports are. Olympic Biathlon is a sport that involves cross country skiing and target shooting. But digressions into what kind of wax is used on skis or whether someone makes his own bullets is uninteresting detail that only serves to divert discussion here.

Ziryab
DrSpudnik wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
DrSpudnik wrote:

Gun people have no idea how uninteresting gun bla bla bla is to the rest of the world.

Imagine going to a gun site and, in a discussion thread on chopping up pellets of gunpowder, you suddenly start about whether kingpawn of queenpawn openings are better?

We are discussing the nature of sport. Guns are part of that discussion. Please behave yourself and take your hatred of certain sports to an appropriate forum.

Behave myself?? I am behaving myself. This is a topic on chess as a sport or not and tangentially and by analogy what constitutes a sport. There is no question about whether various gun activities are sports but digressions into the minutiae of gun whatnot isn't really relevant to anything. It's just virtue signalling to other gun nuts about how awesome the minutiae of gun sports are. Olympic Biathlon is a sport that involves cross country skiing and target shooting. But digressions into what kind of wax is used on skis or whether someone makes his own bullets is uninteresting detail that only serves to divert discussion here.

The minutiae is part of a point about how all physical skill is removed from competitive target shooting from a bench. Obviously, the biathlon involves other skills.

Whether someone makes his own bullets is a critical aspect of some target competition. It happens to be one I have some knowledge about because my father, two of my brothers, and my nephew have participated in this competition, and I’ve sometimes attended to observe.

Vonbishoffen

Chess isn't a sport... get over it

Until the physical side becomes the main purpose

Giant chess is a sport

DrSpudnik
Vonbishoffen wrote:

Chess isn't a sport... get over it

Until the physical side becomes the main purpose

Giant chess is a sport

I've never seen giants play chess.

BigChessplayer665
DrSpudnik wrote:
Vonbishoffen wrote:

Chess isn't a sport... get over it

Until the physical side becomes the main purpose

Giant chess is a sport

I've never seen giants play chess.

Tyler one ...

Jared
Vonbishoffen wrote:

Chess isn't a sport... get over it

Until the physical side becomes the main purpose

Giant chess is a sport

Please explain to me HOW it isn't a sport. You guys keep just saying "it isn't a sport" and have no facts to support your claim.

BigChessplayer665
Jared wrote:
Vonbishoffen wrote:

Chess isn't a sport... get over it

Until the physical side becomes the main purpose

Giant chess is a sport

Please explain to me HOW it isn't a sport. You guys keep just saying "it isn't a sport" and have no facts to support your claim.

And don't say

No physical activity

There's sill activity

Just a different kind

Vonbishoffen
DrSpudnik wrote:
Vonbishoffen wrote:

Chess isn't a sport... get over it

Until the physical side becomes the main purpose

Giant chess is a sport

I've never seen giants play chess.

You've never seen a giant either so jokes on you

Vonbishoffen
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
Jared wrote:
Vonbishoffen wrote:

Chess isn't a sport... get over it

Until the physical side becomes the main purpose

Giant chess is a sport

Please explain to me HOW it isn't a sport. You guys keep just saying "it isn't a sport" and have no facts to support your claim.

And don't say

No physical activity

There's sill activity

Just a different kind

I agree with the window sill activity

Vonbishoffen
Jared wrote:
Vonbishoffen wrote:

Chess isn't a sport... get over it

Until the physical side becomes the main purpose

Giant chess is a sport

Please explain to me HOW it isn't a sport. You guys keep just saying "it isn't a sport" and have no facts to support your claim.

Is monopoly a sport?

hapless_fool
It’s only a sport if you have to wear a jock strap.
Ziryab
Jared wrote:
Vonbishoffen wrote:

Chess isn't a sport... get over it

Until the physical side becomes the main purpose

Giant chess is a sport

Please explain to me HOW it isn't a sport. You guys keep just saying "it isn't a sport" and have no facts to support your claim.

They have the most common dictionary definition, the definition of the term, "sport", as most people understand it. That's quite compelling and is certainly a fact that supports their claim.

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However, as I noted a couple of days ago (and a couple of years ago in a similar thread), the most popular usage is not the only one in current usage. An unabridged dictionary, such as the Oxford English Dictionary, offers a more full definition of the word sport.

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But, I don't find that sufficient, either.

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I think we need a better definition that recognizes the importance and centrality of athletics to the most common understanding of sports.

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Some "mind sports", such as chess and math competition fit within the definitions of sport as games with a competitive aspect for which competitors train. See https://maa.org/math-competitions/amc-8/locations

lfPatriotGames
Ziryab wrote:
DrSpudnik wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
DrSpudnik wrote:

Gun people have no idea how uninteresting gun bla bla bla is to the rest of the world.

Imagine going to a gun site and, in a discussion thread on chopping up pellets of gunpowder, you suddenly start about whether kingpawn of queenpawn openings are better?

We are discussing the nature of sport. Guns are part of that discussion. Please behave yourself and take your hatred of certain sports to an appropriate forum.

Behave myself?? I am behaving myself. This is a topic on chess as a sport or not and tangentially and by analogy what constitutes a sport. There is no question about whether various gun activities are sports but digressions into the minutiae of gun whatnot isn't really relevant to anything. It's just virtue signalling to other gun nuts about how awesome the minutiae of gun sports are. Olympic Biathlon is a sport that involves cross country skiing and target shooting. But digressions into what kind of wax is used on skis or whether someone makes his own bullets is uninteresting detail that only serves to divert discussion here.

The minutiae is part of a point about how all physical skill is removed from competitive target shooting from a bench. Obviously, the biathlon involves other skills.

Whether someone makes his own bullets is a critical aspect of some target competition. It happens to be one I have some knowledge about because my father, two of my brothers, and my nephew have participated in this competition, and I’ve sometimes attended to observe.

So I finally asked what kind of equipment measures the gunpowder so accurately, she didn't say it cost him 4,000, but a mutual friend did. She called it an auto trickler, but then went on and on about measuring and loading and my eyes started to gloss over. Maybe it's all the equipment, not just that one piece, I don't know.

Anyway, it's something she and her husband do for fun. At 600 yards she got 21 bullseyes in a row. Apparently it would have been a world record if there were more of the right kind of spectators. They both also shoot a lot at 1,000 yards. That's just not my area of interest but still I can appreciate the skill needed to hit something the size of a quarter (or however big it is) from 600 or more yards every single time. A very long par 5 is 600 yards. That's a long way.

Ziryab

Thanks. Auto tricklers are common, vary in price and accuracy. The figure likely was to price of the whole set-up.
In 1921 George Farr scored 71 bullseyes at 1000 yards. But, distance, caliber, type of weapon all figure in calculation of records. When my father set a nation record, the competition was specific to cast bullets. Jacketed bullets are more accurate.

DrSpudnik

Annie Oakley could shoot the crack off a gnat at 300 yards!

lfPatriotGames
DrSpudnik wrote:

Annie Oakley could shoot the crack off a gnat at 300 yards!

Gnat cracking, as it was called, was outlawed as a sport due to the infamous indecent exposure incident of 1881.