If you want to prove something is not what others say it is, don't you only have to find one exception?
No. That's extremely lazy reasoning.
This is only true in cases where the formulation is "all X are Y"
Are all sports games?
No.
Interesting. OK, which sport, or sports, are not games?
To be honest, this is the first I've ever heard someone say not all sports are games.
Which is interesting.
It's really not.
It's deeply, intensely, uninteresting.
"Who wins if no one pulls the trigger"
ugh.
No, it just means you aren't willing to give the honest answer that everyone knows. Everyone knows it's the participant that wins, not someone else. It's the person who pulls the trigger that wins, nobody else.
Which is interesting.
It's really not.
It's deeply, intensely, uninteresting.
"Who wins if no one pulls the trigger"
ugh.
No, it just means you aren't willing to give the honest answer that everyone knows. Everyone knows it's the participant that wins, not someone else. It's the person who pulls the trigger that wins, nobody else.
He just doesn't want to give an interesting answer to a argument thay just gets lazy and repetitive
If you want to prove something is not what others say it is, don't you only have to find one exception?
No. That's extremely lazy reasoning.
This is only true in cases where the formulation is "all X are Y"
Are all sports games?
No.
Interesting. OK, which sport, or sports, are not games?
As with most things some are easy to define while a minority fall into a grey area... it's hard for me to answer since I really don't care which activities have which labels
Are there any gambling sports that aren't games ?
Maybe something similar to sports betting
Chess is a sport because it meets the following criteria:
Chess has to be played according to a strict ruleset.
Chess has to require skill.
Chess has to be played by an individual against others.
Chess has to require physical exertion.
Source: The Bing AI
If you want to prove something is not what others say it is, don't you only have to find one exception?
No. That's extremely lazy reasoning.
This is only true in cases where the formulation is "all X are Y"
Are all sports games?
No.
Interesting. OK, which sport, or sports, are not games?
As with most things some are easy to define while a minority fall into a grey area... it's hard for me to answer since I really don't care which activities have which labels
OK. You were sure not all sports are games, but you can't name one sport that isn't a game.
The point is all sports are games, but not all games are sports.
If you want to prove something is not what others say it is, don't you only have to find one exception?
No. That's extremely lazy reasoning.
This is only true in cases where the formulation is "all X are Y"
Are all sports games?
No.
Interesting. OK, which sport, or sports, are not games?
As with most things some are easy to define while a minority fall into a grey area... it's hard for me to answer since I really don't care which activities have which labels
OK. You were sure not all sports are games, but you can't name one sport that isn't a game.
The point is all sports are games, but not all games are sports.
Hunting is a sport but it doesn't have to be a game
So this is a false statement
Which is interesting.
It's really not.
It's deeply, intensely, uninteresting.
"Who wins if no one pulls the trigger"
ugh.
No, it just means you aren't willing to give the honest answer that everyone knows. Everyone knows it's the participant that wins, not someone else. It's the person who pulls the trigger that wins, nobody else.
Ok, but a person can both aim and can pull the trigger without moving their body so... what's the point of the example? It's nonsense.
The point is targets shooting (lets say an event in the Olympics) is a sport because it takes physical skill, physical talent, to win. AND the person who wins must be the same person who actually pulls the trigger. It can't be proxied to someone else.
Chess is not a sport because in a classical competition (which is what most people are referring to) this physical participation is not required. All sports require it, chess does not. Do the math.
Are there any gambling sports that aren't games ?
Even as a kid I found this sort of thing uninteresting... "this activity is nerdy" or "this activity is cool." Even if it was my friends saying so, even if I agreed with them, internally I'd be rolling my eyes... labels aren't interesting. The value of language is that we can communicate. Language is (for lack of a better word) hierarchically below meaning. Trying to suss out real-world meaning using language is ridiculous.
It is I kind of find it boring when people try these type of arguments partly cause they start going "well I have a job so you can't talk " when you try to disprove them instead of actualy talking about it
If you want to prove something is not what others say it is, don't you only have to find one exception?
No. That's extremely lazy reasoning.
This is only true in cases where the formulation is "all X are Y"
Are all sports games?
No.
Interesting. OK, which sport, or sports, are not games?
As with most things some are easy to define while a minority fall into a grey area... it's hard for me to answer since I really don't care which activities have which labels
OK. You were sure not all sports are games, but you can't name one sport that isn't a game.
The point is all sports are games, but not all games are sports.
Hunting is a sport but it doesn't have to be a game
So this is a false statement
Hunting sports are not games??
Well, you might have a hard time finding much support for that claim. How is a game defined?
If you want to prove something is not what others say it is, don't you only have to find one exception?
No. That's extremely lazy reasoning.
This is only true in cases where the formulation is "all X are Y"
Are all sports games?
No.
Interesting. OK, which sport, or sports, are not games?
As with most things some are easy to define while a minority fall into a grey area... it's hard for me to answer since I really don't care which activities have which labels
OK. You were sure not all sports are games, but you can't name one sport that isn't a game.
The point is all sports are games, but not all games are sports.
Hunting is a sport but it doesn't have to be a game
So this is a false statement
Hunting sports are not games??
Well, you might have a hard time finding much support for that claim. How is a game defined?
Hunting itself isn't a game obviously ...maybe you can make it game like
If you want to prove something is not what others say it is, don't you only have to find one exception?
No. That's extremely lazy reasoning.
This is only true in cases where the formulation is "all X are Y"
Are all sports games?
No.
Interesting. OK, which sport, or sports, are not games?
As with most things some are easy to define while a minority fall into a grey area... it's hard for me to answer since I really don't care which activities have which labels
OK. You were sure not all sports are games, but you can't name one sport that isn't a game.
The point is all sports are games, but not all games are sports.
Hunting is a sport but it doesn't have to be a game
So this is a false statement
Hunting sports are not games??
Well, you might have a hard time finding much support for that claim. How is a game defined?
Hunting itself isn't a game obviously ...maybe you can make it game like
I agree hunting isn't either a game or sport if it's done out of necessity. But the sport of hunting is a game. All sports are games.
If someone is alone, hunting for deer to fill the freezer for the winter, that hardly seems like a sport or a game. It's not very recreational. But I'm sure there are many hunting sports where it's very recreational, probably like fishing. Competitions to see who gets the most quail, the most bass, or whatever.
If you want to prove something is not what others say it is, don't you only have to find one exception?
No. That's extremely lazy reasoning.
This is only true in cases where the formulation is "all X are Y"
Are all sports games?
No.
Interesting. OK, which sport, or sports, are not games?
As with most things some are easy to define while a minority fall into a grey area... it's hard for me to answer since I really don't care which activities have which labels
OK. You were sure not all sports are games, but you can't name one sport that isn't a game.
The point is all sports are games, but not all games are sports.
Hunting is a sport but it doesn't have to be a game
So this is a false statement
Hunting sports are not games??
Well, you might have a hard time finding much support for that claim. How is a game defined?
Hunting itself isn't a game obviously ...maybe you can make it game like
I agree hunting isn't either a game or sport if it's done out of necessity. But the sport of hunting is a game. All sports are games.
If someone is alone, hunting for deer to fill the freezer for the winter, that hardly seems like a sport or a game. It's not very recreational. But I'm sure there are many hunting sports where it's very recreational, probably like fishing. Competitions to see who gets the most quail, the most bass, or whatever.
huntings a sport pops up on the list of "sports "
Hunting isn't a game even if it's a competition maybe some hunting sports are games but not all of them are games even if they are a sport
To be honest, this is the first I've ever heard someone say not all sports are games.
I would not use the term game for the Olympic marathon.
If you want to prove something is not what others say it is, don't you only have to find one exception?
No. That's extremely lazy reasoning.
This is only true in cases where the formulation is "all X are Y"
Are all sports games?
No.
Interesting. OK, which sport, or sports, are not games?
As with most things some are easy to define while a minority fall into a grey area... it's hard for me to answer since I really don't care which activities have which labels
OK. You were sure not all sports are games, but you can't name one sport that isn't a game.
The point is all sports are games, but not all games are sports.
Hunting is a sport but it doesn't have to be a game
So this is a false statement
Hunting sports are not games??
Well, you might have a hard time finding much support for that claim. How is a game defined?
Hunting itself isn't a game obviously ...maybe you can make it game like
I agree hunting isn't either a game or sport if it's done out of necessity. But the sport of hunting is a game. All sports are games.
If someone is alone, hunting for deer to fill the freezer for the winter, that hardly seems like a sport or a game. It's not very recreational.
In my experience, few things are as recreational as being in the woods alone, hoping for a shot on some meat for the freezer. I feel the same way about fishing.
Which is interesting.
It's really not.
It's deeply, intensely, uninteresting.
"Who wins if no one pulls the trigger"
ugh.
No, it just means you aren't willing to give the honest answer that everyone knows. Everyone knows it's the participant that wins, not someone else. It's the person who pulls the trigger that wins, nobody else.
Ok, but a person can both aim and can pull the trigger without moving their body so... what's the point of the example? It's nonsense.
The point is targets shooting (lets say an event in the Olympics) is a sport because it takes physical skill, physical talent, to win. AND the person who wins must be the same person who actually pulls the trigger. It can't be proxied to someone else.
Chess is not a sport because in a classical competition (which is what most people are referring to) this physical participation is not required. All sports require it, chess does not. Do the math.
Whether or not it can be proxied was never an argument... although even then we can point out that snipers work in teams, with the more experienced and skilled person is NOT the one holding the weapon. They're range finding and measuring the wind and etc, and giving instruction on how to aim.
In any case...
The point was that people made the argument that shooting requires minimal physical activity and is still a sport. You tried to claim that chess is different because it can be played with absolutely zero, while shooting still requires some. This fails for two reasons:
1) Shooting doesn't require a non-zero amount of physical activity. There are already rifles that aim for you, and with modern technology it's easy to imagine a shooting mechanism that's activating by thinking.
2) Even if we agreed that mental or engine chess is not a sport, this doesn't address chess as it's commonly played since people physically move the pieces.
This isn't really my interest but have you done much shooting? I did. However, I don't really see something like snooker or darts as being sports so although shooting requires very good coordination and other physical skills, I don't see it as a sport and yet it has better sporting credentials than chess. If someone thinks of shooting as a sport I'm not going to argue with them. If they say the same about chess though, it makes me laugh. Just seems silly. I have probably played well over a hundred thousand games of chess. Maybe a quarter of a million.
Can you shoot the head off a grouse at ten yards using a single shot rifle that is zeroed at 100 yards? Would you know where to aim?
Now, we see a competitive side to the solitary sport of hunting: bragging over beer.
To be honest, this is the first I've ever heard someone say not all sports are games.
I would not use the term game for the Olympic marathon.
I wonder if the Olympic marathon is included in the Olympic Games.
Or for that matter, where the phrase "let the games begin" came from.
who gets the award for the result of the shooting competition. The person who pulled the trigger, or someone else?
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Posts like this make me wonder what you're like in real life and why you spend so much time here.
There are several reasons. One of which someone already guessed.
Still no answer though. Which is interesting.