How do I defend the arguement that chess is a sport?

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ungewichtet

Gumbo Stu and 654Psyfox, please grant me to rerun my argument from #30

c) But if you want to say mental fitness and mental exhaustion are not physical, okay, where are you at? If awareness and responsiveness are not physical, alright, what are they? There is a difference between muscles and neurons. But holding concentration is a little like holding a weight, and juggling balls is a little like keeping several chess motives afloat, playing a position. They are all talents and givens- bodily talents, bodily givens- that can be trained and shaped.

654Psyfox
ungewichtet wrote:

Gumbo Stu and 654Psyfox, please grant me to rerun my argument from #30

c) But if you want to say mental fitness and mental exhaustion are not physical, okay, where are you at?

They are mental. It's literally in the name. 

If awareness and responsiveness are not physical, alright, what are they?

Again, mental. 

There is a difference between muscles and neurons. But holding concentration is a little like holding a weight, and juggling balls is a little like keeping several chess motives afloat, playing a position.

How is keeping concentration similar to holding a weight? Besides, in concentration is what makes something a sport, wouldn't things like painting doing homework be classified as a sport? Everyone would agree that those things are not a sport. 

They are all talents and givens- bodily talents, bodily givens- that can be trained and shaped.

Nope, mental traits.

jankogajdosko

It is a sport but due to it not being a sport it makes it a sport, i explain, you see in order to be able to sit Thoose long hours at the tournament with no breaks, you need to be in good physical shape so you not only train chess but your body, I used to do boxing alot, and I never dared to take a break during one of my tournaments, you have to learn to hold your bodily functions no matter how urgent they become, it is a sign of Great chess player and discipline

GumboStu
ungewichtet wrote:

Gumbo Stu and 654Psyfox, please grant me to rerun my argument from #30

c) But if you want to say mental fitness and mental exhaustion are not physical, okay, where are you at? If awareness and responsiveness are not physical, alright, what are they? There is a difference between muscles and neurons. But holding concentration is a little like holding a weight, and juggling balls is a little like keeping several chess motives afloat, playing a position. They are all talents and givens- bodily talents, bodily givens- that can be trained and shaped.

I appreciate the argument. And the parallels. And further feel that you are saying that chess is a sport because it is analogous to sports. Curiously, as a former busking juggler, I would have to add that although juggling is fairly physically active, it not a sport: it is a skill, and essentially non-competitive, coming from a background of Magicianship, sleight-of-hand, and performance. It is only recently (20 years or so) that people have begun to exploit the competitive possibilities.

GumboStu

Who was it said, " For chess, you don't need concentration, you need buttocks!"?

Yao_Wang
jankogajdosko wrote:

It is a sport but due to it not being a sport it makes it a sport, i explain, you see in order to be able to sit Thoose long hours at the tournament with no breaks, you need to be in good physical shape so you not only train chess but your body, I used to do boxing alot, and I never dared to take a break during one of my tournaments, you have to learn to hold your bodily functions no matter how urgent they become, it is a sign of Great chess player and discipline

You doing a lot of boxing wasn't you playing chess, someone who isn't fit plays chess just as well as someone who is fit. When playing chess you sit down so there is no straining physical activity. I don't think being uncomfortable while sitting down for a long time counts as physical exertion

Brain
Chess is not a sport.
sensifer

I don't know about y'all, but I sweat when I play chess. Especially Bullet.

Just-playing-chess12

you dont go touch grass

rooksb4

According to Oxfords, as sport is an "activity that you do for pleasure and that needs physical effort or skill, usually done in a special area and according to fixed rules." Good luck stretching that so chess is in fact a sport.

GumboStu

Yes. The Stress cycle is triggering fight-flight responses. Cortisol infuses the bloodstream, in order to mobilise us to action. We inhibit our physical activity responses in order to concentrate. Which is stressful ... if only chess involved more activity!

ungewichtet
654Psyfox wrote:
ungewichtet wrote:

c) But if you want to say mental fitness and mental exhaustion are not physical, okay, where are you at?

They are mental. It's literally in the name. 

If awareness and responsiveness are not physical, alright, what are they?

Again, mental. 

There is a difference between muscles and neurons. But holding concentration is a little like holding a weight, and juggling balls is a little like keeping several chess motives afloat, playing a position.

How is keeping concentration similar to holding a weight? Besides, in concentration is what makes something a sport, wouldn't things like painting doing homework be classified as a sport? Everyone would agree that those things are not a sport. 

They are all talents and givens- bodily talents, bodily givens- that can be trained and shaped.

Nope, mental traits.

"Chess is the gymnasium of the mind." - Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)

I'd hold that the mental is part of the physical. So if we are talking of physical exertion, with mental agility and mental exhaustion playing their roles in chess, with the mental being part of the physical, then keeping concentration is similar to holding a weight: Like we drop the weights onto the floor after too much lifting, we drop our heads onto the table after too much concentrating. When we lose it, we lose grasp of the given lot of chess motives we're eyeing and weighing just like we lose grasp of the juggling balls we are throwing.

One thing you might want to say is 'If physical exertion were to include the mental, then what is not physical exertion and how is physical exertion distinctive anymore if it included mental activity?' Well, if you do not bring to use your muscles or your mind- no physical exertion. And while physical exertion is not sufficient to mark an activity as sport, it is necessary, we said.

magipi
Brain wrote:
Chess is not a sport.

Triple facepalm.

SAOCM

Chess is reportedly recognized as a sport by the International Olympic Committee. Bam!

SAOCM

And what about chess boxing?

mjtcan
SAOCM wrote:

Chess is reportedly recognized as a sport by the International Olympic Committee. Bam!

yes if the IOC says it's a sport it's a sport that's all u need to know.

654Psyfox
SAOCM wrote:

Chess is reportedly recognized as a sport by the International Olympic Committee. Bam!

If you read a dictionary you will realize chess is not a sport.

Google definition of chess:

a board game of strategic skill for two players, played on a checkered board. Each player begins the game with sixteen pieces that are moved and used to capture opposing pieces according to precise rules. The object is to put the opponent's king under a direct attack from which escape is impossible ( checkmate ).

And here is the definition of a sport:

an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

No physical exertion, so not a sport.

654Psyfox
SAOCM wrote:

And what about chess boxing?

Yes it is a sport, but because of the boxing, not chess.

Jared
sport noun (GAME)a game, competition, or activity needing physical effort and skill that is played or done according to rules, for enjoyment and/or as a job: Football, basketball, and hockey are all team sports.
 
Even if Chess doesn't require a lot of physical activity, it is still physically exerting. A classical game can take up to 7(!) hours. These hours are filled with full concentration, nerves, and a lot of sweat.
 
Chessflyfisher

You don't. It's a game. Mic drop.