How easy is it to become a GM?

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Fixing_A_Hole wrote:
VladimirHerceg91 wrote:

A message to Fixing_A_Hole,,

It's proven in psychology that people who try to put others down are doing it because they themselves are insecure. Please don't comment anymore on this forum. You're just giving insight to the insecure person that you are. 

 

I'm very secure, Mr. Armchair Psychologist.    Let me try!  You seem to be exhibiting classic signs of projection.  You'll get passed it some day, when you're a "regular" GM.

I think your only goal in posting on this discussion was to offend me. Is it fun being an internet bully? Anyway, I didn't come here for this. This will be my last response to you. I know it's easy to be mean, but trust me it's a lot harder to be nice. And you're certainly taking the easy route. So don't think you're brave because you have the  ability to offend me over the Internet. Thanks to some of the other posters, I realized that I might have been naive in thinking this task was easy. But at least they provided genuine explanations to why. Sorry for the discussion guys, I do feel dumb now, but I am new to chess, and in whatever I do I try to strive to be the best I can be. That includes being a nicer person Fixing_A_Hole, perhaps you should try it. 
Once again thanks everyone. 

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Did you get the memo??

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Good job!

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See logozar for some coaching! (That is, if he agrees to it)

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VladimirHerceg91 wrote:
Fixing_A_Hole wrote:
VladimirHerceg91 wrote:

A message to Fixing_A_Hole,,

It's proven in psychology that people who try to put others down are doing it because they themselves are insecure. Please don't comment anymore on this forum. You're just giving insight to the insecure person that you are. 

 

I'm very secure, Mr. Armchair Psychologist.    Let me try!  You seem to be exhibiting classic signs of projection.  You'll get passed it some day, when you're a "regular" GM.

I think your only goal in posting on this discussion was to offend me. Is it fun being an internet bully? Anyway, I didn't come here for this. This will be my last response to you. I know it's easy to be mean, but trust me it's a lot harder to be nice. And you're certainly taking the easy route. So don't think you're brave because you have the  ability to offend me over the Internet. Thanks to some of the other posters, I realized that I might have been naive in thinking this task was easy. But at least they provided genuine explanations to why. Sorry for the discussion guys, I do feel dumb now, but I am new to chess, and in whatever I do I try to strive to be the best I can be. That includes being a nicer person Fixing_A_Hole, perhaps you should try it. 
Once again thanks everyone. 

 

Sounds good, troll.  

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Fixing_A_Hole wrote:
VladimirHerceg91 wrote:
Fixing_A_Hole wrote:
VladimirHerceg91 wrote:

A message to Fixing_A_Hole,,

It's proven in psychology that people who try to put others down are doing it because they themselves are insecure. Please don't comment anymore on this forum. You're just giving insight to the insecure person that you are. 

 

I'm very secure, Mr. Armchair Psychologist.    Let me try!  You seem to be exhibiting classic signs of projection.  You'll get passed it some day, when you're a "regular" GM.

I think your only goal in posting on this discussion was to offend me. Is it fun being an internet bully? Anyway, I didn't come here for this. This will be my last response to you. I know it's easy to be mean, but trust me it's a lot harder to be nice. And you're certainly taking the easy route. So don't think you're brave because you have the  ability to offend me over the Internet. Thanks to some of the other posters, I realized that I might have been naive in thinking this task was easy. But at least they provided genuine explanations to why. Sorry for the discussion guys, I do feel dumb now, but I am new to chess, and in whatever I do I try to strive to be the best I can be. That includes being a nicer person Fixing_A_Hole, perhaps you should try it. 
Once again thanks everyone. 

 

Sounds good, troll.  

I accidentally added you as a friend, because I thought that was the button to report you. Please disregard the friend request. Also, if you apologize, I won't report your rudeness to chess.com

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In conclusion, not very. However, there was no responses from actual GMs

 

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VladimirHerceg91 wrote:
 

I accidentally added you as a friend, because I thought that was the button to report you. Please disregard the friend request. Also, if you apologize, I won't report your rudeness to chess.com

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VladimirHerceg91 wrote:

jhubchess wrote:

Your brain is not biologically wired the same as a child's to absorb the unbelievable amount of material that it takes to become a GM in the same way that a child does. That aside.. you may have done all the research in the world. I don't care. It's not going to happen. Aim for something more feasible, like being a class player, then an expert and, if you make it there, then the NM title. The questions you ask and the arguments you make show that you know next to nothing about chess. I started at 4, I'm 28 now and I'm a class A player. I broke 1800 at 16 and probably could have went on to become a NM relatively quickly, but I live in a very weak chess state in the US and didn't have access to coaches, the right materials, etc. My goal now that I've picked the game back up after 10 years of not playing much is to make expert (2000+) and, maybe one day, get a NM title. That's the best I can hope for, and that's a stretch and I know that. I know that because of my experience with the game. Sorry to sound like a naysayer, but it's simply not going to happen. Ask whoever you like.

I think the problem is that you stopped playing for 10 years. i don't plan on being a quitter. Kids raised without nothing still become great athletes. I think your case is a lack of commitment, and passion for the game. 

Lmao. I quit playing regularly when I joined the military and had a full time job with young children. If that makes me a "quitter," then sure. Don't be a quitter. Don't have a life. Dedicate your life to chess. Do whatever you like. It's still not going to happen. With the right training, you'll make expert. You have a slight chance to become a National Master, but only with real dedication and proper study and training. Anything beyond that is wishful thinking. Many would say that NM is wishful thinking. You think you're brilliant and you'll be one the to break the mould, but you're too blind to see the forest through the trees. Message any titled player on here or any other site. Enjoy playing the game and focus on getting better a little at a time. Trying for something that's practically unachievable is just setting yourself up for failure. Just my two cents.

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OP, you have all the makings of a great inspirational story... you have the hypothesis, the passion, and the naysayers trying to prove you wrong. You must read the book "Rapid Chess Improvement" by MichaeI de la Maza. He was rated 1300 as an adult, then became an expert after 2 years of intensive tactics study (he was unemployed at the time), and then he got tired of chess and quit forever. With my job and family, I can never come close to doing what you are trying to do... I know I would be much better if I could put 5 hours a day for 15 years.
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That 10,000 hour rule you seem to have bought into is in no way, shape, or form an absolute solution for everything.

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http://en.chessbase.com/post/handedne-practice-and-talent-in-che

Summary: 10.000 hours in chess will get you nowhere near GM level.
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Dear Vladimir,

At least you were smart enough to ask. If you feel dumb now, imagine how would you have felt after devoting your life to chess and not getting close to your goal.

For the average guy chess is like ketchup. It's great if you have some other things with it. However, if that's all you have in your diet you are going to get sick.
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dont play chess to become a gm. play it because you enjoy it. if you don't enjoy it, play with your toes.

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Did we decide OP was a troll?   If not, do you have an IQ of at least 130?   Required to become GM.  

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Dear Vladimir, you should really read this excellent article by Silman. It will be very useful to answer your question (and bring you back down to earth) : https://www.chess.com/article/view/can-anyone-be-an-im-or-gm

It seems to me that no one has told you that there are 600 million to 800 million chess players in the world and only 1522 grandmasters, that is about 0,0002%, so they are not as many as you think.

Probably with hard work you could reach expert level, which it is however a much higher level than the average (the average ELO of active players is around 1200, maybe 1300 ELO). You'll need time, patience and money for chess books (and a coach if you want to improve more and faster). A 3300 silicon monster alone won't improve your game.

 As regards the computers you are human and like all human you can't calculate like computers. They calculate all possible variants 20+ moves ahead. Nobody in the world calculate like a computer, I think that it is easy to understand. I also think that you have been a bit presumptuous when you said that you want to eliminate the human element from your training ( the title you've chosen is a little offensive too, but I hope it  was for false knowledge).

Good luck anyway.

 

 

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Possibly of interest:

https://www.chess.com/article/view/can-anyone-be-an-im-or-gm

What It Takes to Become a Chess Master by Andrew Soltis

https://web.archive.org/web/20140708093409/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review857.pdf

Reaching the Top?! by Peter Kurzdorfer

http://www.thechessmind.net/blog/2015/11/16/book-notice-kurzdorfers-reaching-the-top.html

What It Takes to Become a Grandmaster by GM Andrew Soltis

https://www.chess.com/article/view/don-t-worry-about-your-rating

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Haters gonna hate, players gonna play. I believe in you. Lets race to the top. First one to GM buys the other one a beer. Understanding Chess Tactics, by Martin Weteschnik seems good, just started reading it however, if you need a book to read.

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what exactly defines a troll?

someone who asks a genuine question of a forum who is polite, even if possibly a little naive?

or somebody who responds with, "you're pathetic and stupid"?

just putting it out there.

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MrFahrenKnight wrote:

what exactly defines a troll?

someone who asks a genuine question of a forum who is polite, even if possibly a little naive?

or somebody who responds with, "you're pathetic and stupid"?

just putting it out there.

 

Go ahead, take the bait bud.  This is the guy who feigns like he's new to chess (been on the site for over a year and half and played hundreds of games), had the noble goal of getting the lowest rating on the site (trolls would never be sandbaggers!), phrases his question on how "easy" is it to be GM and that other GMs would confirm it's easy, wants to play at 3000 elo and never make a mistake because learning from computers makes it easy nowadays, and says coaches are pointless because they are human.  But apparently you and the rest of the posters defending him are totally fine with the chess.com forums full of liars and trolls!  Doesn't matter anyways, these forums have been junk for awhile now, the quality goes up a little around WC cycles but it's back to the way it normally is.

 

Keep feeding away.

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