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how much of chess is natural talent

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Elubas

Haha, haven't seen you in so long, royalbishop! Remember me? :)

royalbishop

No sorry

Elubas

Haha, really, or are you just messing with me? I guess it was a while ago.  You probably wouldn't want to remember me though, anyway :)

royalbishop

I have changed since then. More docuaed on game. I jpined a chess club and they real opened my eyes ti the game. So much that i thought i qas good at others were wau stronger.my bigesr leason was game preparation. I ran into some tricky players that practice that all the time. In a tourny clock is ticking.

royalbishop

In touny I did not know about all the different clock rules. Laugh if you want but idid not know you better brung your own clock for awveral rwasons

royalbishop

Sorry not to Ger off topi . I just noticed. Been gone a while sorry for multi post.

But the clock plays a serious role in tourny. Talente or not..

If you get to tourny later than opponent rhey can pull ouy their clock.

Say the clock iis damaged and in rhe last 10 sec it jums to 1 sec- game over and you had more time than opponent. And that happens randomlu. So you have ro prove it. Plus show how much much time waa left on borh sides in a game you know you had won

Elubas

Oh yeah, there's nothing like playing chess over the board with a clock.

Elubas

Yes, time is almost as important as the game itself. You want to use every single minute wisely. I've screwed up so many great positions because I didn't have enough time to play them properly, and I still do.

Brorkg

I know a guy that’s naturally gifted in chess. He is kind of a savant, but not for competing in the normal way. He is not on the spectrum, but a freaking wiz of sorts. He instinctively visualizes and retains very profoundly. He beat a good chess player as a kid, with not much training. The match was against someone who won tournaments in Russia. My friend has above Mensa level iq, and a sort of ad hoc borderline diagnosis. And as Michael Richard said in an interview, there definitely exists chess savants.

chaplinblum
how much or how smart?
GetRichBrothers

Same as in any domain/profession/field, there's a combination of factors that go into the end result. Some are predisposed to be better, but a HUGE component of it comes down to sustained hard work over the years.

badenwurtca
Estragon wrote:

Elubas makes a persuasive argument but I'm still going to go with magic.  It's definitely magic.

   ---   Yup sounds good to me  lol.

Whir36
I would think that to be a grandmaster you need a fairly high logic IQ, very good memory and good spatial awareness. That’s probably 20%. The rest is hard work, study and devotion.

I don’t think someone that is super stupid could be a grandmaster. Sorry I might be being prejudice but I just can’t see how it’s possible with those basic tools.
Whir36
*without.
Ziryab
Elubas wrote:

Well, I could memorize an entire coupon book when I was three.

 

They were smaller then.

Ziryab
Whir36 wrote:
I would think that to be a grandmaster you need a fairly high logic IQ, very good memory and good spatial awareness. That’s probably 20%. The rest is hard work, study and devotion.

I don’t think someone that is super stupid could be a grandmaster. Sorry I might be being prejudice but I just can’t see how it’s possible with those basic tools.

And yet several GMs are barely above average and know nothing apart from chess.

JJRSChess

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