How should I get the GM title, I am an intermediate chess player. Please give me useful advice.

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Kowarenai
NervesofButter wrote:
ThePaulMorphyIncarnate wrote:

How should I get the GM title, I am an intermediate chess player. Please give me useful advice. I want to desperately get the GM or IM title.

Another beginner chess player that decides to troll the same ole same ole. 

I will give to answers.  The answer you want and the answer you dont want.

1. Answer you want:

Play nothing but speed chess.

Memorize openings.  Dont actually learn them just memorize the moves.

Ask a lot of really dumb questions online.

Reach a point of frustration and cheat.

2. Answer you dont want.

Put in the work.

Be realistic and honest about your abilities.

Pull a Krammnik and put in 12 hours a day of serious studying.

Hire really good coaches.

Wait for the improvement.

i was gonna comment but like since i am mostly aiming for NM not GM i found this super relatable in the want parts and kinda disagree with the "wait for improvement part" everything pretty much fits me and my progress in a few years except the cheating part, i do get frustrated however and massively get down from time to time due to not improving or losing progress

pfren
Kowarenai wrote:
PawnTsunami wrote:
Kowarenai wrote:

notably eric hansen who never even studied on chess books till they were GM or nearing it

This is massively misleading.  Eric claims he did not study books until he was already an IM, but that skips over the fact that he was getting coached regularly by very strong players for years.  So yes, perhaps he didn't read the books himself, but he was getting the benefit of them though lectures and coaching.

ah still it does give some inspiration and hope but isn't my statement correct, that he was studying books cause i said he picked up books either when he became GM or was near

 

You can try the formula yourself, and tell us if it works. Just don't bet with anyone on the result, especially if you are short of money.

Fire
ThePaulMorphyIncarnate wrote:

How should I get the GM title, I am an intermediate chess player. Please give me useful advice. I want to desperately get the GM or IM title.

what rating defines intermediate? 

Kowarenai
pfren wrote:
Kowarenai wrote:
PawnTsunami wrote:
Kowarenai wrote:

notably eric hansen who never even studied on chess books till they were GM or nearing it

This is massively misleading.  Eric claims he did not study books until he was already an IM, but that skips over the fact that he was getting coached regularly by very strong players for years.  So yes, perhaps he didn't read the books himself, but he was getting the benefit of them though lectures and coaching.

ah still it does give some inspiration and hope but isn't my statement correct, that he was studying books cause i said he picked up books either when he became GM or was near

 

You can try the formula yourself, and tell us if it works. Just don't bet with anyone on the result, especially if you are short of money.

i am not saying i am eric hansen... besides i don't think i could even be GM if i tried

Kowarenai

i think i am intermediate though idk if thats off, i don't think of myself as a expert but in the middle being somewhat of an upperclass intermediate player like 1800 range, maybe 1900 max

xor_eax_eax05

You need to get to 2500 FIDE rating (in classical time controls) and earn 3 GM norms. By that point you will probably have reached Master and International Master titles.

Kowarenai

yeah its from my recent otb event

Kowarenai

yeah so i am correct but i don't think ill get higher than maybe 1900 level at least currently

Kowarenai

i would consider an A player maybe 1900 tho that sounds like a bit of a stretch, 2000 is definitely A+ player in my opinion but 1700 yeah feels like a B or C+ player imo in terms of skill

jetoba
Fire wrote:
ThePaulMorphyIncarnate wrote:

How should I get the GM title, I am an intermediate chess player. Please give me useful advice. I want to desperately get the GM or IM title.

what rating defines intermediate? 

He claims a 1598 FIDE rating.  In the general world population that might put him somewhere in the top 1/10 of 1% (one in 1,000), maybe a bit better.  Not all active players have FIDE ratings (my US Chess rating was over 2100 three decades ago and it still over 1900 which would currently correlate to 1800+ FIDE even though I don't have a FIDE rating - just a FIDE ID for being an arbiter).

I can understand a 1598 FIDE having been on Chess.com for about 3.5 months with an 806 Bullet after 816 games if quick games are not his forte, and maybe even a 457 Blitz after 181 games (though a player better at slow times controls would not normally have a rating decline from Bullet to Blitz), but a 540 Rapid after 66 games seems unusual for a 1598 FIDE, let alone the 602 Daily after 18 games (best win against a 908 and worst loss to a 677).  If he is not playing Chess.com games seriously and is spending that much time then that doesn't seem to bode well for training/development.

llama36

This one kid went from 1800 to 2200 in one year, and they asked him how he studied.

He said he read 30 chess books cover to cover that year... twice (he read every book twice).

Yes that's more than 1 book per week, so there's no way you'd remember most of it... but even if you only remembered a little from every book... freaking 30 of them.

And obviously obsession helps people improve quickly too.

llama36
Kowarenai wrote:

i would consider an A player maybe 1900 tho that sounds like a bit of a stretch, 2000 is definitely A+ player in my opinion but 1700 yeah feels like a B or C+ player imo in terms of skill

?

In the US the classes are every 200 points. 1200-1399 is D, 1400-1599 is C and so on. 2000-2199 is "expert."

Kowarenai

ooffff 1400 and 1500 is considered C player, well national federations be nice nowadays

Kowarenai
llama36 wrote:
Kowarenai wrote:

i would consider an A player maybe 1900 tho that sounds like a bit of a stretch, 2000 is definitely A+ player in my opinion but 1700 yeah feels like a B or C+ player imo in terms of skill

?

In the US the classes are every 200 points. 1200-1399 is D, 1400-1599 is C and so on. 2000 is "expert."

ig its cause i like ranking them by very weak and then "ok" while the higher levels are simply strong and master level so for me a C player is someone who is very decent at the game being like 1700-1800 and experienced while D players are just very bad or not good. like even if they know the rules, their skill isn't quite knowledgeable and is just very weird in comparison. anything below that is just extremely a novice like someone who doesn't know barely much being basically the equivalent of a guess the elo subscriber playing 900's on chess.com

llama36

I mean, they could have used numbers, and called them category 1, 2, 3, 4. Instead of that they used letters, but the letters don't mean anything. I guess it's just coincidence you have a personal system based on letters.

Kowarenai

category 1 - 2000-2400+ master level/expert

category 2 - 1700-1900 - decent

category 3 - 1200-1600 - meh

category 4 - anything below 1200 - just really bad...

i didn't know where to put 1900 and 2000 but yeah this would be it somewhat

Kowarenai
NervesofButter wrote:
Kowarenai wrote:
llama36 wrote:
Kowarenai wrote:

i would consider an A player maybe 1900 tho that sounds like a bit of a stretch, 2000 is definitely A+ player in my opinion but 1700 yeah feels like a B or C+ player imo in terms of skill

?

In the US the classes are every 200 points. 1200-1399 is D, 1400-1599 is C and so on. 2000 is "expert."

ig its cause i like ranking them by very weak and then "ok" while the higher levels are simply strong and master level so for me a C player is someone who is very decent at the game being like 1700-1800 and experienced while D players are just very bad or not good. like even if they know the rules, their skill isn't quite knowledgeable and is just very weird in comparison. anything below that is just extremely a novice like someone who doesn't know barely much being basically the equivalent of a guess the elo subscriber playing 900's on chess.com

One of the most passionate guys i ever knew was nothing more than a 1200 USCF player.  But he had more desire and passion to teach kids chess than anyone i knew.  Obviously he was limited in what he could teach but he knew his boundaries.

A retired friend of mine in his 70's and he knows he will never advance past being a D player.  But he plays purely for the enjoyment, and he truly loves to play the game and play in tournaments. 

 

yeah ik many old people and random friends who go play despite knowing they can't progress and ill probably be in that category sooner or later as i dont have high expectations, i am just a chess player who loves the game a lot and will play it till i die basically even if i never improve

PawnTsunami
Kowarenai wrote:

ah still it does give some inspiration and hope but isn't my statement correct, that he was studying books cause i said he picked up books either when he became GM or was near

The point was that it implies he just "got it" and didn't have to study until he was already very strong.  That is equivalent to saying Arnold Schwarzenneger didn't lift weights until he was training for Mr Olympia.  Eric was actually studying for years (via coaching); he just did not self-study until he was already fairly strong.

PawnTsunami
llama36 wrote:

I mean, they could have used numbers, and called them category 1, 2, 3, 4. Instead of that they used letters, but the letters don't mean anything. I guess it's just coincidence you have a personal system based on letters.

To make it even more confusing, USCF also uses 1, 2, 3, 4 for categories, but those require norms to be earned.

llama36
PawnTsunami wrote:
llama36 wrote:

I mean, they could have used numbers, and called them category 1, 2, 3, 4. Instead of that they used letters, but the letters don't mean anything. I guess it's just coincidence you have a personal system based on letters.

To make it even more confusing, USCF also uses 1, 2, 3, 4 for categories, but those require norms to be earned.

Oh yeah, they introduced that at some point after I'd joined, so I just ignore it.