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TheGreatOogieBoogie

Oct 7, 2013

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#41

If you want to inflate your rating horribly play against the Bird personality. Henry Bird lacked the proper positional understanding to play the opening named after him lol ^_^

bobbyDK

Oct 7, 2013

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#42

radmagichat skrev:

Chess master gm edition is mochary. I have beatin every single bot up to 2100 lvl but am only ranked 1250 against human players. My rating in that game is around 1900 against those bots... big difference. I also played the intermediate study serious, which evaluates all of your skills from, tactics, checkmates, strategy ect... In every single skill set I am ranked above 1600. Then I go and play a game against a human way lower then what my strength indicates.. and get my butt kicked...chess master gm is good for raising your self esteem maybe but has nothing to do with rating accuracy.

just to be curious how long do you let chessmaster think with the below 1900. if you just force it to move it will not be nearly as strong as when you let it think.

I give meself 2 hours and chessmaster 10 minutes in order to avoid the game being too long. if I set chessmaster to use 2 hours it will really use mentor lines to come up with a good move.

bobbyDK

Oct 7, 2013

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#43

@harryz : the computer doesn't care and using 4 hours against a compuer would be overkill. besides it is a good practice to use the time to think in real games. I wouldn't call it cheating against a computer.

EscherehcsE

Oct 8, 2013

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#44

Unless you're a regular visitor to the Talkchess forums, you probably aren't aware that the Chessmaster 9000 project leader, John Merlino, sometimes makes Chessmaster-related comments there. Some of his comments provide interesting background information concerning the Chessmaster programs.

I've performed a search of Talkchess for Merlino comments that might interest Chessmaster devotees. So without further ado, I present the "Merlino Papers".

Chessgrandmaster2001

Oct 8, 2013

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#45

This is darn inaccurate. My rating is about 2100.

EscherehcsE

Oct 8, 2013

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#46

Chessgrandmaster2001 wrote:

This is darn inaccurate. My rating is about 2100.

Hi there! What exactly is "This"? Are you trying to say that you played Chessmaster and it gave you a rating of 2100? If so, which personality did you play against? How many games did you play against this personality?

bobbyDK

Oct 8, 2013

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#47

the problem with rated games in chessmaster is that it shows opening explorer, rated games should be without any outside help.

did you use opening explorer during rated games.

Ziryab

Oct 8, 2013

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#48

bobbyDK wrote:

the problem with rated games in chessmaster is that it shows opening explorer,

That has not been my experience.

philidorposition

Oct 8, 2013

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#49

The chessmaster personality ratings were calculated by games played by a rated human pool, so they are supposed to be not too far off, but the thing is, CM is really bad at mimicking human play and the way it tries to decrease its normally super-strength is that it will sacrifice some piece for a pawn and then play the rest of the game at master level, which can return really strange results.

ShredderChess (not the Shredder that comes with the Fritz interface) is a lot better at imitating human-like chess even at very low levels and I think its ratings are a lot more realistic. What it lacks though is artificial personalities and tournaments which would make it a much more enjoyable.

Having said that, even if some hypothetical artifical entity could immitate human like chess perfectly, the experience of playing against a flesh and blood person would be so much different and I think incomparably more fun.

Ziryab

Oct 8, 2013

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#50

philidor_position wrote:

The chessmaster personality ratings were calculated by games played by a rated human pool, so they are supposed to be not too far off, but the thing is, CM is really bad at mimicking human play and the way it tries to decrease its normally super-strength is that it will sacrifice some piece for a pawn and then play the rest of the game at master level, which can return really strange results.

ShredderChess (not the Shredder that comes with the Fritz interface) is a lot better at imitating human-like chess even at very low levels and I think its ratings are a lot more realistic. What it lacks though is artificial personalities and tournaments which would make it a much more enjoyable.

Having said that, even if some hypothetical artifical entity could immitate human like chess perfectly, the experience of playing against a flesh and blood person would be so much different and I think incomparably more fun.

My experience with Shredder on the iPad corroborates this claim.

philidorposition

Oct 9, 2013

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#51

EscherehcsE wrote:

Unless you're a regular visitor to the Talkchess forums, you probably aren't aware that the Chessmaster 9000 project leader, John Merlino, sometimes makes Chessmaster-related comments there. Some of his comments provide interesting background information concerning the Chessmaster programs.

I've performed a search of Talkchess for Merlino comments that might interest Chessmaster devotees. So without further ado, I present the "Merlino Papers".

That was a really helpful and relevant post! Thank you for the collection. I have a lot of nostalgia about CM and these were very interesting to read.

deepcalculation

Mar 16, 2014

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#52

Chessmaster full strength will crush all of you running on any standard dual processor. It crushed Larry Christiansen, and non of you can do that.

zBorris

Mar 16, 2014

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#53

Here's a list of chess rating strength ranked in order of ELO from CCRL and IPON:

Houdini 4 --- 3121
Stockfish DD --- 3071
Komodo TCECr --- 3059
Gull 2.2 --- 2987
Critter 1.4a --- 2983
Equinox 2.02 --- 2978
Deep Rybka 4.1 --- 2969
Deep Fritz 14 --- 2900
Chiron 2 --- 2897
Magnus Carlsen --- 2881
Hannibal 1.4b --- 2879
Naum 4.2 --- 2840
(rank 59th) Chessmaster 11 2CPU --- 2722

bobbyDK

Mar 16, 2014

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#54

zBorris skrev:

Here's a list of chess rating strength ranked in order of ELO from CCRL and IPON:

Houdini 4 --- 3121 Stockfish DD --- 3071 Komodo TCECr --- 3059 Gull 2.2 --- 2987 Critter 1.4a --- 2983 Equinox 2.02 --- 2978 Deep Rybka 4.1 --- 2969 Deep Fritz 14 --- 2900 Chiron 2 --- 2897 Magnus Carlsen --- 2881 Hannibal 1.4b --- 2879 Naum 4.2 --- 2840 (rank 59th) Chessmaster 11 2CPU --- 2722

chessmaster is still the best chess playing software.

because of the best GUI and the best 3d boards.

menu navigation and everything is best in chessmaster.

I have Fritz but I hardly ever start it up because it is so boring to look at compared to chessmaster.

Jion_Wansu

Mar 17, 2014

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#55

lol necroing old threads....

bobbyDK

Mar 17, 2014

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#56

Jion_Wansu skrev:

lol necroing old threads....

why start new, if old is still relevant?

Ziryab

Mar 17, 2014

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#57

Here's a normal operation in Fritz that is impossible in Chessmaster: accessing the database for reference games from a game that you just played against the engine. You may like the look of the CM GUI, but you'll need to explain any claims concerning its functionality.

In the Chessmaster GUI, the database features are awkward to use, counterintuitive, and consigned to a tiny chess board instead of the normal one. It is not in the same league as Fritz.

derekj1978

Mar 17, 2014

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#58

It is very strong. I doubt anyone on this site can beat it.

Ziryab

Mar 17, 2014

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#59

derekj1978 wrote:

It is very strong. I doubt anyone on this site can beat it.

I beat it running on my RAZR. This is not to disagree with the view in post #63, however, which I share.

derekj1978

Mar 17, 2014

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#60

Ziryab wrote:

derekj1978 wrote:

It is very strong. I doubt anyone on this site can beat it.

I beat it running on my RAZR. This is not to disagree with the view in post #63, however, which I share.

lol. Guess I should of been more specific. I doubt anyone here can beat it at full strenght on a dual processor.