You are correct about USCF rules: Rule 8F7 says that "in the absence of the player's announcement to the contrary, an upside-down rook shall be considered a queen".
FIDE rules are different, as the above posted link shows.
How to deal with the purposeful fouls of opponents?
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May 18, 2017
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#42
TeaInATumbler wrote:
Most of the people I've played against were really nice to me, actually. I feel bad for everyone who's had rude opponents who purposefully try to distract you. :/
The worst opponent I ever played against was this guy who found my pace of play annoying. While he moved instantly after I moved, I'd think about my next move and make sure I wasn't making a blunder. While I'd think, he'd sign, groan, glare at me, tap as fingers against the table loudly, look around with an exasperated expression, ask me if I'd moved yet... etc. I wasn't moved though lol, I continued to take my time. And I won that game too, so, win win! ( Oh, and keep in mind it wasn't an obnoxious amount of time I was studying the board, just like 10 seconds or so)
Well done. Once a kid used to do the same thing to me. As a result I made sure to take a couple of minutes even for the most obvious recapture just to annoy him.
BronsteinPawn wrote:
Jenium escribió:
#1: Ignore. You could also mock the player, after all you have a winning position. I remember one GM rejected Nakamura's draw offer (when Naka was a rebellious kid) with the words: "I'll let you know when it's a draw.")
You could also complain to the arbiter.
#2&3: Complain or kick back. Here is a nice video by IM Waitzkin explaining how to deal with this kind of opponent.
#4: You can hardly force people not to breathe.
#5: If those tricks are tricks on the board like traps it is their right to do so...
THERE IS NO VIDEO
Oh sorry, forgot the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCFPPMiZHIg
Jenium wrote:
TeaInATumbler wrote:
Most of the people I've played against were really nice to me, actually. I feel bad for everyone who's had rude opponents who purposefully try to distract you. :/
The worst opponent I ever played against was this guy who found my pace of play annoying. While he moved instantly after I moved, I'd think about my next move and make sure I wasn't making a blunder. While I'd think, he'd sign, groan, glare at me, tap as fingers against the table loudly, look around with an exasperated expression, ask me if I'd moved yet... etc. I wasn't moved though lol, I continued to take my time. And I won that game too, so, win win! ( Oh, and keep in mind it wasn't an obnoxious amount of time I was studying the board, just like 10 seconds or so)
Well done. Once a kid used to do the same thing to me. As a result I made sure to take a couple of minutes even for the most obvious recapture just to annoy him.
Thank you! And I'm sorry that happened to you, people like that are the worst. Good on you for pushing past it (and messing with him just for the fun of it, if i weren't such a goody two shoes I would've probably done that myself lol).
Jenium wrote:
Oh sorry, forgot the link:
This video is good, now I see which mistakes I make, but I wasn't aware of them. Thanks. Also the tip of taking time to play obvious moves is fine.
My only point is, that one tournament (with guys #1 and #2) changed me, the things I saw there.. it was scary. There were just too many unclear things, which never happened to me before of after that. Since then, I don't trust my opponents and now always try to figure out if they're suspicious.
I know, now I'll try to play only in good tournaments, where these cases are less likely to happen. I think I played around 500 classical games and I'd say, at most 30-40 were 'suspicious'.
Now I know, on what I have to work to be a better player - how to keep cool during my games because I lost many games because of that!
Take a deep breath and focus on the game. There is no better way to punish this kind of people for their behavior, than by winning the game. That said, if the opponent is being obviously annoying, you probably should be able to call an arbiter and ask them for intrusion.
Dec 1, 2017
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#50
vikingchucky wrote:
Hi all, this is my 2nd thread here. As you can see, I have a problem, during the 'real' games.
And that problem is, well, my opponents. But let's introduce myself first. I'm a decent player and I play because I like it, and sometimes I'm able to win a book or something more :)
Why this topic? I take chess seriously (at least when I play in tournaments), and I think my game is fair play, I'm not interrupting others, I rarely offer draws and I resign the game when I see no hope.
I'm basically alone, no club, no 'allies', maybe a few chess friends. So.. when I take part in tournaments, the arbiter is usually 'rooting for' local players.
I'm not saying all refs do that. Most of them are OK. But, anything can happen.. Now I describe two games from the worst tournament (in terms of cheating, opponents etc.) I took part:
1. Notorious guy
Guy with the black pieces, rated more that 300 rating points below me, offered me a draw in the following position:
How many of you would agree for a draw? None! It's obviously winning for white.
But, this guy was offering me a draw every next move, so what to do? Usually in those ridiculous cases, I reply: 'It isn't a draw'.
But he kept offering, I believe I wore my sunglasses (I'm not even sure why) till the end of the game. He eventually resigned around 10 moves later.
2. No comment...
The same tournament, another local player. I know I have to be aware of any suspicious things, because these guys are famous for their 'cheating skills'.
I already knew.. why I even arrived to play there?
Nothing wrong has happened, except one thing: that guy was kicking me under the table! Not all the time obviously, I felt it from time to time.
I knew talking to the ref wouldn't do anything about that, I'd continued to play. The game finished in the worst possible way for me: I was better, but I lacked one tempo in the end and it finished with a draw. I was so furious... (Well, still I'm).
Why I never complained? Because one other player did it almost all the time. Ref? He did nothing. In this tournament I wasn't an opponent for them, I was an enemy!
Conclusion? I'll never take part again in any tournament with that corrupted referee or arrive to that city.
And now, other cases:
3. Annoying kid
Some kid, at the age of 12, maybe 14 was blowing the air in my direction. I believe I would even say what he ate month before, not a pleasant thing. It was purposeful. I even wanted to do the same, but, unfortunately, I brushed my teeth that morning :( I was much worse, to not say losing, but he blundered which resulted in immediately won game for me. You can say anything you want, but I think it was deserved.
4. Man, who was breathing too loud.
Yes, I'm not joking. During the game it was terribly distracting. I wanted to complain about it to the arbiter (he was neutral), but, unfortunately for me that was the last round of the tournament, and refs were attenting at the closing ceremony in some under-X group. I just couldn't sit there for even a minute, all I could did was walking there and avoiding listening those sounds...
5. Provocation during the games.
Here I just describe a type of player I hate to play: always provokes you, makes cheap tricks, almost invisible to the arbiters and makes everything to win against you, at all cost, fair or not.
So, my real question is, what to do, when calling the ref isn't enough? How to defend against it? I know, I just have wrote a lot..
And, what annoying cases you had experienced? How you deal with it?
Actually it's your fault. You have no right to complain here. If you would know the rules you woudn't have these problems in the first place.
Dec 1, 2017
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#51
First guy has the right to offer draws every move, but after three or four times, you have the right to mock him with increasing severity when you refuse.
Third guy (bad breath kid); nothing in the rules about that, but you could chew garlic cloves and blow back at him.
Fourth guy (loud breather); nothing in the rules about that. You could start breathing like a cheesy monster in a pitch-dark house.
Fifth guy (trickster) there is insufficient (actually zero) information about the tricks, so no basis to conclude rule violation. If there were in fact no rule violations, you might post a description of these tricks so that people on here can read them and learn to be more effective tournament players. The distribution of players in chess is similar to law practice; there are tricky lawyers and straight-up lawyers and everybody knows who everybody else is, and we have long-established countermeasures to avoid and/or punish those tricks.
Second guy (kicker under the table) yeah, that isn't just a rule violation, it's assault and battery. There are a myriad number of ways you can handle it; two determining factors would be are you bigger and stronger than this guy, and what would his defendant profile look like if you sued him (enough money to make it worth your while, potential embarrassment in his sensitive profession)...
Documention, an essential part of record building. Does your cellphone take videos? Stick it below your waist and see if it can catch him doing it. Do you have any friends? Have one standing 15 feet back of him, filming the space between the edge of the table and the floor.
Documentation, hyperlocal, where you say, loud enough for 5-6 adjacent players to hear, "You've been kicking me under the table. I am a man of peace, well, I try to be, anyway, but if you keep on doing that, a time may come where I will pick up your king and jam it, cross-first, into one of your orifices where kings are not intended to go, so, what's it gonna be my lad?"
Documentation, local, you can report him to the tournament director. The kicker will deny it, the TD will think "he said, he said" and say "I don't want to hear about any more trouble from over here."
Retaliation. You could jam your heel into the place where his inner thighs come together and his tender, dangling bits are. "It was a reflex!"
There are a few other options, but generally, don't decide or plan in advance, live and act in the moment. Favor peaceful resolution, but maintain awareness of the possibility of escalation of the violence that has already been initiated on you, and how it might be useful for you to either cause or suffer that escalation. Go to the gym and work out, because when you get into these situations, you have more options as a ripped mother than as a 97 pound weakling. Good Luck!
http://relyeachess.com/subpages/Closed/uscf-fide-rules-twocolumn.html
I don't see the conflict. Under FIDE rules an inverted rook is not a queen. Under USCF rules, it is a queen.