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Hi, I have a son (6yrs), he is pretty good at winning material, but even when he has 3-4 extra pieces, he does not try to attack opponents king and mate him. What he does is he tries to take more pieces. What do you suggest I should do? any books, ideas? Every answer will be appreciated

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teach him the basic mates and let him practice the more abstract concept of denying the opponent critical squares.

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teach him the basic mates and let him practice the more abstract concept of denying the opponent critical squares.

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I learnt it by myself

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Don't annoy kids with teaching chess, they should have a life.

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febibilstein wrote:

Don't annoy kids with teaching chess, they should have a life.

No, I dont force him to play. He asks me to play with him, but as I said he is more material oriented and doesnt try to mate his opponent. I should always tell him to start attacking.

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uzchamp wrote:

Hi, I have a son (6yrs), he is pretty good at winning material, but even when he has 3-4 extra pieces, he does not try to attack opponents king and mate him. What he does is he tries to take more pieces. What do you suggest I should do? any books, ideas? Every answer will be appreciated

So you're trying to stop him from doing the right thing? When you're positionally losing you should try for checkmate. When you're positionally winning (for example you're up four pieces) you should just avoid blundering and win. Exchanging or winning pieces is exactly what you should do when you're winning by so much.

I think your kid is more intelligent than you.

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ChessOath wrote:
uzchamp wrote:

Hi, I have a son (6yrs), he is pretty good at winning material, but even when he has 3-4 extra pieces, he does not try to attack opponents king and mate him. What he does is he tries to take more pieces. What do you suggest I should do? any books, ideas? Every answer will be appreciated

So you're trying to stop him from doing the right thing? When you're positionally losing you should try for checkmate. When you're positionally winning (for example you're up four pieces) you should just avoid blundering and win. Exchanging or winning pieces is exactly what you should do when you're winning by so much.

I think your kid is more intelligent than you.

I think uzchamp is talking about being materialistic, i.e, gobbling up material even when that leads to a loss. Would that be correct, uzchamp?

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Megabyte wrote:
ChessOath wrote:
uzchamp wrote:

Hi, I have a son (6yrs), he is pretty good at winning material, but even when he has 3-4 extra pieces, he does not try to attack opponents king and mate him. What he does is he tries to take more pieces. What do you suggest I should do? any books, ideas? Every answer will be appreciated

So you're trying to stop him from doing the right thing? When you're positionally losing you should try for checkmate. When you're positionally winning (for example you're up four pieces) you should just avoid blundering and win. Exchanging or winning pieces is exactly what you should do when you're winning by so much.

I think your kid is more intelligent than you.

I think uzchamp is talking about being materialistic, i.e, gobbling up material even when that leads to a loss. Would that be correct, uzchamp?

No, he knows piece values, doesnt make unfavorable piece exchanges. Even if he is big material advantage, he does not look for ways to mate, but keeps on winning more material. As tob1a5 pointed out, I think I need to give hime more aggressive tactical problems. I want him to play more attacking chess. Any good books on that? And thanks for all your answers, I really appreciate.

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Find a couple of famous queen sacrifice games and play through them with him on the losing side. I mean set up the position and play the sac move and ask him which player is in a better position? Then hand him a forced checkmate

 

Also, does he fall for the Fried Liver attack?

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uzchamp wrote:
Megabyte wrote:
ChessOath wrote:
uzchamp wrote:

Hi, I have a son (6yrs), he is pretty good at winning material, but even when he has 3-4 extra pieces, he does not try to attack opponents king and mate him. What he does is he tries to take more pieces. What do you suggest I should do? any books, ideas? Every answer will be appreciated

So you're trying to stop him from doing the right thing? When you're positionally losing you should try for checkmate. When you're positionally winning (for example you're up four pieces) you should just avoid blundering and win. Exchanging or winning pieces is exactly what you should do when you're winning by so much.

I think your kid is more intelligent than you.

I think uzchamp is talking about being materialistic, i.e, gobbling up material even when that leads to a loss. Would that be correct, uzchamp?

No, he knows piece values, doesnt make unfavorable piece exchanges. Even if he is big material advantage, he does not look for ways to mate, but keeps on winning more material. As tob1a5 pointed out, I think I need to give hime more aggressive tactical problems. I want him to play more attacking chess. Any good books on that? And thanks for all your answers, I really appreciate.

It's nice to give him more tactical exercises, but don't worry too much about it then. So long he's not weakening his position to gobble material, he's simplifying into an easier win, which is absolutely ok.

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uzchamp wrote:

No, he knows piece values, doesnt make unfavorable piece exchanges. Even if he is big material advantage, he does not look for ways to mate, but keeps on winning more material. As tob1a5 pointed out, I think I need to give hime more aggressive tactical problems. I want him to play more attacking chess. Any good books on that? And thanks for all your answers, I really appreciate.

You can ignore my post all you want. It doesn't make my point any less accurate. He's currently doing the right thing. You've made this thread to try to find ways to force your child to play how you want him to play. It's made a lot worse when you consider that how you want him to play makes no sense and is worse than what he's currently doing.

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Another-Life wrote:

Find a couple of famous queen sacrifice games and play through them with him on the losing side. I mean set up the position and play the sac move and ask him which player is in a better position? Then hand him a forced checkmate

 

Also, does he fall for the Fried Liver attack?

I like the idea, I will definitely try that. And about Fried Liver attack, no. I try to avoid teaching him openings yet, because I want him to develop that naturally, well at least for now. 

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Yes, I don't mean you should teach him gimmicky openings but to teach him the value of king protection.

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Megabyte wrote:
uzchamp wrote:
Megabyte wrote:
ChessOath wrote:
uzchamp wrote:

Hi, I have a son (6yrs), he is pretty good at winning material, but even when he has 3-4 extra pieces, he does not try to attack opponents king and mate him. What he does is he tries to take more pieces. What do you suggest I should do? any books, ideas? Every answer will be appreciated

So you're trying to stop him from doing the right thing? When you're positionally losing you should try for checkmate. When you're positionally winning (for example you're up four pieces) you should just avoid blundering and win. Exchanging or winning pieces is exactly what you should do when you're winning by so much.

I think your kid is more intelligent than you.

I think uzchamp is talking about being materialistic, i.e, gobbling up material even when that leads to a loss. Would that be correct, uzchamp?

No, he knows piece values, doesnt make unfavorable piece exchanges. Even if he is big material advantage, he does not look for ways to mate, but keeps on winning more material. As tob1a5 pointed out, I think I need to give hime more aggressive tactical problems. I want him to play more attacking chess. Any good books on that? And thanks for all your answers, I really appreciate.

It's nice to give him more tactical exercises, but don't worry too much about it then. So long he's not weakening his position to gobble material, he's simplifying into an easier win, which is absolutely ok.

Exactly, he wants easier win. Even if he has extra queen, he tries to promote his pawns and get more queens ))). So do you think this kind of behavior is ok for 6 years old kid? 

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uzchamp wrote:

Exactly, he wants easier win. Even if he has extra queen, he tries to promote his pawns and get more queens ))). So do you think this kind of behavior is ok for 6 years old kid? 

Why wouldn't that be ok? That's exactly what you want to do. If you have an easy win, you should go for the best way possible to finish the game. As long as getting more queens won't lose the game, let him do what he want.

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uzchamp wrote:

No, he knows piece values, doesnt make unfavorable piece exchanges. Even if he is big material advantage, he does not look for ways to mate, but keeps on winning more material. As tob1a5 pointed out, I think I need to give hime more aggressive tactical problems. I want him to play more attacking chess. Any good books on that? And thanks for all your answers, I really appreciate.

You can ignore my post all you want. It doesn't make my point any less accurate. He's currently doing the right thing. You've made this thread to try to find ways to force your child to play how you want him to play. It's made a lot worse when you consider that how you want him to play makes no sense and is worse than what he's currently doing.

No, I'm not gonna ingore your posts. That's why I'm here, to get advice from more experienced players and trainers. May be I let him play the way he is doing right now and the rest comes with time.

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As long as he's not stalemating the king after he takes all the pieces I don't think it's a problem... he's only 6!

Maybe teach him to take everything except 1 or two pawns that way it's a safeguard against stalemate.

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Another-Life wrote:

Find a couple of famous queen sacrifice games and play through them with him on the losing side. I mean set up the position and play the sac move and ask him which player is in a better position? Then hand him a forced checkmate

 

Also, does he fall for the Fried Liver attack?

I like the idea, I will definitely try that. And about Fried Liver attack, no. I try to avoid teaching him openings yet, because I want him to develop that naturally, well at least for now. 

Do teach him openings, but just enough for him to know how to avoid traps. For example, learning how to defend against the Fried Liver would be great.