Humans v Houdini chess engine (Elo 3300)

I'm not saying you can't. I've looked at it some, it's not an easy win for White, assuming it is a win. But pfren's original post involved a specific position, and he said there was a win for White which the computer supposedly can't find. I don't know what that win is. He said, "White to play and win." I think Kh2 has got to be the first move. I'm still waiting for him to move. Its his turn. The position may very well be a draw, but he did claim that there was a win for White. That's his claim, not mine.

If the position is a draw, then why did Pfren say "White to play and win"? That's just dishonest.

Yes, it's sort of dishonest that you can't understand chess. However, you should rather blame yourself at that, not me.

Plus- I don't play this position for free, sorry for that.

The computer will draw the f4 line as well as the Kh2 line (without any guidance)... if you think otherwise play it out with houdini and report back with your win.

First of all since when do computers play passively? Never.

Second, computers can and do think schematically...

here are just a FEW examples

Lol at these engine fans, an engine uses algorithm to find moves then how can it "think"? WTF happened to philosophy? Is it already dead.

Actually it does matter, especially in Philosophy.

It is rumoured that the new engine generation will be able to cure every sort of human inefficiencies, not just the chessic ones. I predict a hell of a lot of happy customers.

In philosophy, nothing matters.

to thecheesykid nothing matters, except waking up and not being late for the school bus

Have I offended you? Are you some sort of philosophy major or teacher? All I'm saying is that philosophy rarely brings anything much pertinent to a logical discussion.

I wasn't offended, and I also did not mean to offend you if you were. I said that because of your name.But now I disagree with your last statement. The progress of science would not have been possible without the analytical approach in philosophy! Though it's out of the topic so I better shut my mouth.

So, the verdict from all that chatting is quite clear:

You don't have to use an engine to be a total & eternal patzer. However, it does help a lot.

IM pfren should have a fans club. A group here in chesscom maybe.

we get it... you are deeply wounded that your cell phone can crush you in a game of chess.. you are upset that 5-10 years ago you would have had a special status in the chess community, now you are just one of the crowd and anyone with a ipad and a free engine doesnt need to consult the great oracle: pfren, you've lost your shaman status and powers.

While the rest of us accept it all and use the computers to learn about the game and analyze our mistakes.

lol, you won't last 20 moves against pfren, seriously.

IM pfren has an actual status in the chess world : he is an IM. Not many people around here can say the same. Even if you have an engine whispering good moves for you, they don't tell you how to play like IM pfren.

I'm listening to his advice.

Oh please, don't spoil my client base.

I need people like him to play against my pupils in OTB tournaments. Without a few easy wins, they could easily get discouraged.

with some of your recent losses Ive just looked at in your history I wouldnt be crowing too loudly if I were you... it seems you are human, all too human and not a magician like houdini.

Facts are facts: you cant beat houdini in any time control (let alone easily as you said in one of your delusional posts), if you could, we would be watching the pfren-houdini match worldwide (which is not happening, except maybe in your dreams).

thanks for the laughs

Being a monster that plays chess you should really fill an application to be hired at a circus. You would give people lots of fun.

The problem is that you would lose all the time against the monkeys.

Apparently, this IM is a troll.

Pfren you are awesome.  I might save this quote.