I Don't See the Point of the Touch-Move Rule

it was quickly done to prove a point. Hope you are happy now

aman_makhija wrote:

aww-rats wrote:

If no touch move rule, you would distract your opponent easily. Say you pick up your Bishop, then notice your opponent will win elsewhere on the board. So, you let go of the bishop, and grab the Knight he is threatening, then see moving it loses too. You keep at this until you find the piece you can safely move. You have just succeeded in annoying your opponent and have broken his concentration. Therein lies the key. This is why tournament halls are silent. The touch move rule is just one of many rules meant to allow full concentration during a game.

So? Both sides have this disadvantage.

It is preferred not to give either side an advantage or a disadvantage.

Optimissed wrote:

>No it isn't, because you can't hop the rook over the king unless you castle, which you would do if you castle. Therefore the rule to move the king first is illogical. 

If you moved the rook first, then the king hops over the rook. That aside, it has to do with touch move. Think about castling as two separate moves. The rook moves, and the king moves. If the rook is put on the proper square, that move is legal. But the king cannot be in check, or pass through check. If he does, then the king move, and castling is illegal. Now, due to touch-move, he should be forced to move the king, which he moved illegally. So, he touches the king first in order to create no doubt. If he touches the rook first, he could claim touch-move only makes him move the rook. Touching the king first removes ambiguity and helps with enforcement of the touch-move rule.

You only hop the rook over the king when castling, if you've moved the king first.

If you move the rook first, it's a complete move in its own right as soon as you remove your hand from the rook, no peices have been "hopped over".  You're intent to subsequently hop the king over the rook to complete the castling move is irrelevant under touch-move rules, you've just made a rook move.

                   Maybe we should start a puking thread.  I'm just guessing here but since castling is a defensive king manuever, the logical way to tell your opponent is to move the king 1st. It has to go 2 squares. Before he has a chance to look up and say, "illegal move", you then have completed the rook slide either side.  I'm also refering to OTB games and not a friendly one at say, McDonalds. Unless you need a reason to start a food fight.

It's really quite simple, moving the king first eliminates and and all ambiguity about what the intended move is.

No, I am sorry, there is still a fair amount of Troll Rating points to be had here.  Let us consider playing Devil's advocate, whilst I do believe in the Holy Laws of Chess, let us evolve the game and allow:

1) Touching, caressing, stroking, depositing body matter on pieces

2) Bringing in your own favourite queen and swapping it for yours

3) Using a peashooter (or depending on locale) small firearm to kill pieces

4) Having a spring loaded mini-samurai sword to en passant with style

5) Awarding a MVP title to the piece most involved in the play

Just putting these out there.  The rules are due a change, no?

                 hahahahaha.   I REFUSE to have the last word.  Get Trysts over here. She'll make DAM sure I don't have the last word.   hahaha  "he puts his mind into it".    That's when he HAS a mind, on odd numbered days.  I use to put my BACK into these threads but after 2 back operations.

Well I am not the one wondering about it, I kind of understand and protect the rule. Still why it is there is a valid question, and I can see how it can be a annoying for new players who have problems vizualasing how the board will look after their move. When playing my brother for excample, I have to play a "once you drop the piece it stays" kind of game. Since he have no way of seeing if his piece is attacked on a square before its actualy there. Also he keeps lifting the white bishop to preforme a check, only to discover my king is on a black field.  Playing a touch-move game with him would be pointless, and not fun for any of us 

Sorry, I shoud have said obvious, not simple.  Obvious is not always so obvious to the oblivious.

Grobe, did you move south to the states?  You used to be so nice. :(

Lies!

I think I have a "bad-castling" habit. One friend always reminds me every time I do it, when I pick up the King then the Rook, then I set the Rook down, then the King. He tells me that is a Rook move? But he lets it slide because we play casual beer chess? It's the type of casual chess you play while drinking beer. But anyway he calls me out everytime I castle like that. Good thing I don't play in any tournaments. Would more than likely get very angry opponent who calls authority.

                    The next time you have a few beers, pick up the king, then the rook like you do. Put one in each hand, stick your hands out in front of him and say,  "which one?".

HA! Excellent idea milord! Good thing I make these posts here. As I think about that, I imagine there would be some lulz.

You're such a nice, kind, RJC and I'm positive that the people here appreciate your posts as well.

The point of  the  Touch-Move Rule is to keep jackasses like you from turning any rated serious  tournament game of chess into a free-for-all.

Hmmmm....that's a good troll. But what do you think of this?

*WARNING! Language...and this post may get removed by a mod.*

The point of the Touch Move Rule is to ensure that pieces of shit like you concentrate on the fucking board and it also encourages calculating variations and looking for threats in your head. Don't touch the pieces you faggot until you are sure that you want to commit to that plan. Mmmm Kaaaay?

Additionally, it has been known to drive me nucking futs when we are NOT enforcing that rule, and I get an opponent that makes a move......... then he takes it back when I already had written his move down on my scoresheet!!

Dude, swear, fine - we are mostly adults.  Thats up to your judgment.  Try to keep the homophobic stuff out though - thats just distasteful.

The answer is always to enforce touch move, even in the most friendly games, December.

Basically it was very late and I was confused. Sorry everyone.