I hate playing as black

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Imagine an International Master going through the online games of a 600 for free, in his spare time, where the player does not know things from the first hour of chess instruction, ie. the basics of tactics OR strategy, and asking for examples from that body of work. 

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Yonak237 wrote:

What CooloutAC said is true...stop mindlessly playing e4/d4 openings and learn other openings, especially those that facilitate defense. My favourites are the King Indian and Sicilian, but I use the KID more.. It makes the game so easier and less stressful because you can easily predict most of your opponents moves throughout the whole game...had I not learned these openings that I still would have a rating below 1000.

But of course, it will take you 10-50 games with a lot of blunders and losses to really master these new openings. But once you've mastered these you'll realize that playing as black even becomes easier than playing as white as it is almost impossible for an opponent to catch you off guard, which makes that even on time you will constantly have the advantage...Right now I no longer stick to the KID or Sicilian theory and play logically/intuitively from very beginning of game, yet I usually play my first 10-15 moves within 2 minutes without any mistake most of the time....all of this thanks to the hundreds/thousand of games I played using King Indian and Sicilian...these openings really give black a use advantage once the brain picks up the "spirit" behind these openings and applies it to the whole game....for me there is a simple rule that summarizes these openings: every single piece and pawn should have protection at all times. Unless there is an obvious opportunity or threat on the board, securing your pieces is the priority. And the closer they are to one another, the better it is.

That is nonsense saying you use the Kings Indian more than the Sicilian.  The KI is a Queen's pawn opening, the Sicilian is a King's pawn open.  If those are the two openings you play as Black, which one you play on a game to game basis solely depends on White's first moves.

 

It would be like saying I play the French more than the Dutch, which again would be nonsense as it would depend on White's first moves each game.

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I seem to be black all the time trying to learn new moves with white and get black five times in a row ,abort ,abort , waiting for the lock . I really think the computer should match it more fairly if you played white last time then you should be black next match .

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When I first learn chess, I ALWAYS lose playing as black.and I found that white has a typical attack while black can hardly defend.and I always loose my e pawn as black.
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I seem to get different results with different black openings. I made it to 1000 elo and then changed my black opening and took a dive. So I'm going back and trying to get things right.

Perhaps try changing things up and experiment until you find something that gives better results.

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Sorry but those last posts are misleading in the OP's case. It's not about openings or colours when players consistently blunder, as advantage is always switching from one side to the other during the game. Post #15 is worth a read.

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Pulpofeira wrote:

Sorry but those last posts are misleading in the OP's case. It's not about openings or colours when players consistently blunder, as advantage is always switching from one side to the other during the game.

I believe learning the basics of openings and defenses can help.

This can help newer players discover helpful things, like the importance of development, center control, king safety, and so on.

Without such knowledge, a player will just try random things every game. Maybe ...f6 one game. Maybe ...a6 the next.

There will be very little logic to their opening moves, because they haven't bothered to learn the purpose of openings.

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Woolly prefers to play with the black pieces, cos I enjoy a good fight ✌️😎
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I discovered that after 300+ (rapid) games, my win rate is 53% with white and 63% with black. That comes as a surprise to me. It's a significant difference and I have no idea why I'm better with black. 

 

Maybe it's just blind luck. Or maybe it's because I'm an athlete, and playing black is more of a sport than playing white. There has to be an explanation. 

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@skystalker1 that's not always possible though, because what if both players had black last time? One of them would have to get 2 in a row. But if you are playing a match against the same player then the colors will alternate from round to round.

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DonThe2nd wrote:

@skystalker1 that's not always possible though, because what if both players had black last time? One of them would have to get 2 in a row. But if you are playing a match against the same player then the colors will alternate from round to round.

you match them accordingly, it should be 50 -50 so should not be a problem ,I did not notice that a rematch does  it though good to know, although I don't often rematch as it's normally a much better player that seems to take over

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CooloutAC wrote:
skystalker1 wrote:
DonThe2nd wrote:

@skystalker1 that's not always possible though, because what if both players had black last time? One of them would have to get 2 in a row. But if you are playing a match against the same player then the colors will alternate from round to round.

you match them accordingly, it should be 50 -50 so should not be a problem ,I did not notice that a rematch does  it though good to know, although I don't often rematch as it's normally a much better player that seems to take over


interesting point.  I know they now make you do the same color if you abort a game which is good though.

Something else I did not know explains why I have been getting so much black ,normally I'm not that bothered, but trying to learn the London opening .

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Went to lessons section, did openings for black, played low ranking bots, once I could beat each 3 times in a row I moved up a level, now playing same bots I struggle with when playing white, not embarrassed to say I played on friendly a few times. I play bots to learn.. I do take backs and hints until comfortable, I don’t move on till I don’t need help… practice
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I get most wins as black..

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CooloutAC wrote:
mikekalish wrote:

I discovered that after 300+ (rapid) games, my win rate is 53% with white and 63% with black. That comes as a surprise to me. It's a significant difference and I have no idea why I'm better with black. 

 

Maybe it's just blind luck. Or maybe it's because I'm an athlete, and playing black is more of a sport than playing white. There has to be an explanation. 

 

You are confused because you probably believed the myth that all players are better with white because of first move advantage.    The most likely reason as everyone in this thread has been discussing,  is you are simply better skilled with black and the openings you use for it.

I was not aware of that myth. My hypothesis is that playing white, I feel more pressure to attack and take advantage of the initiative, and consequently are somewhat more prone to errors....whereas with black, I am much more deliberate in light of knowing he has a half step of tempo going for him....hence more careful. It's just a hypothesis, manufactured to fit the data.....non-scientific.  Or maybe the openings I typically use with black are just better / more sound. With white, I almost always use the bishop's opening because it's familiar. With black, it's likely to be Kings Indian. With white, I run my opening and with black, I'm much more likely to be responding to his moves. If any of that makes sense. Bottom line, I have a significantly better record playing black, but can only guess wildly as to why. 

I don't really believe it's luck.

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applewine wrote:
Went to lessons section, did openings for black, played low ranking bots, once I could beat each 3 times in a row I moved up a level, now playing same bots I struggle with when playing white, not embarrassed to say I played on friendly a few times. I play bots to learn.. I do take backs and hints until comfortable, I don’t move on till I don’t need help… practice

I gave up playing bots. It seemed to me that a 1000 level bot would play the same as a 1500 level, except would occasionally just give away a piece. It seemed very unrealistic to me.

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That's strange, I love playing as black