I find 'win quick' gambits disgusting - Chess Forums - Page 6

Rook_Handler

Sep 29, 2020

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#101

NikkiLikeChikki wrote:

- actually, it’s more like “quit whining to me in the judgiest of ways that the way I like to play is disgusting.”

I’ll admit, though, that “git gud” is pithier.

What was your opinion on what I said?

PILOTOXOMXD

Sep 29, 2020

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#102

Richard_Hunter wrote:

I'm sick of all these 'how to crush lower rated players with XXX gambit' type videos. Is this all people care about, getting a quick win by reciting a few moves by rote? At best, you'll improve your rating for a short while but then get kicked back down when you have to actually play real chess. I don't think we should be encouraging this sort of thing. I really want to shout abuse at someone when they play some stupid gambit.

I'm guessing you play 150 move, 10 hour long games for fun? What, you play some stupid drawn opening?

NikkiLikeChikki

Sep 29, 2020

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#103

- read through the original post. Raging_Hunter decries the videos, yes, but he also decried the style of play. Both go together in a harmony of wrongheadedness.

Suppose a video shows players how to play the Danish gambit. Is the Danish gambit cheap? No. Does it encourage dumb play? I don’t think so. I think it helps you to spot tactics and sharpens your play.

The only thing the youtuber did “wrong” was title his video “how to crush your opponents with the Danish gambit.”

Whoop-dee-flippin-doo.

PILOTOXOMXD

Sep 29, 2020

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#104

Gambits are like 90% of the entertainment in Chess. No one likes to watch Botvinnik vs Petrosian. Its like watching a boring Utube video at half speed.

PILOTOXOMXD

Sep 29, 2020

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#105

The Danish is decent, but most lines that emerge from it are relatively equal a few moves into the Game. That's why I stick to the Scotch

Strangemover

Sep 29, 2020

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#106

PILOTOXOMXD

Sep 29, 2020

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#107

That is not my point

PILOTOXOMXD

Sep 29, 2020

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#108

Who play Bb4+ when there's a Bishop that's going to pick up ur rook?

PILOTOXOMXD

Sep 29, 2020

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#109

Black was losing from the beginning, starting from Bb4+. There are tons of other equal lines

NikkiLikeChikki

Sep 29, 2020

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#110

- you are exactly correct. With proper play, white gains no advantage, but that’s true of any gambit. You do gain initiative and development, and a game that’s not the equivalent of watching your fingernails grow... all for the price of one little pawn.

Rook_Handler

Sep 29, 2020

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#111

NikkiLikeChikki wrote:

- you are exactly correct. With proper play, white gains no advantage, but that’s true of any gambit. You do gain initiative and development, and a game that’s not the equivalent of watching your fingernails grow... all for the price of one little pawn.

You seem to be implying that playing chess without playing gambits is boring, but correct me if I'm wrong.

PILOTOXOMXD

Sep 29, 2020

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#112

besides, life would be easier if both sides could develop faster, in other words, no fewer pawns = faster development. Just do it yourself lol

PILOTOXOMXD

Sep 29, 2020

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#113

Tebow2Baker wrote:

NikkiLikeChikki wrote:

- you are exactly correct. With proper play, white gains no advantage, but that’s true of any gambit. You do gain initiative and development, and a game that’s not the equivalent of watching your fingernails grow... all for the price of one little pawn.

You seem to be implying that playing chess without playing gambits is boring, but correct me if I'm wrong.

Not exactly. I'm saying Gambits are a majority of the excitement in Chess. Other brilliant sac-and-wins are also very interesting.

Rook_Handler

Sep 29, 2020

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#114

While I disagree, if playing gambits is all you do and you find happiness in that, play away.

Strangemover

Sep 29, 2020

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#115

PILOTOXOMXD wrote:

Black was losing from the beginning, starting from Bb4+. There are tons of other equal lines

If you are referring to my game you are wrong. Bb4+ is a good move, probably best. The mistake is 8.Bxc3+ (Ne5 is good for black). But my opponent went wrong. You also mis-evaluated the position. Which shows that it is not easy to correctly assess what to do vs gambit play.

PILOTOXOMXD

Sep 29, 2020

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#116

But yes, impenetrable defenses never win or lose. Just draw. Unless UR opponent chucks everything at you trying to win. Like Nezhmetdinov and Petrosian.

No-reverse-gear-Nezhmetdinov vs Iron Tigran

PILOTOXOMXD

Sep 29, 2020

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#117

amazingly, nezhy proved to be the better magician, but when the fire burns the iron, Tal beat petrosian while Nezhy lost

NikkiLikeChikki

Sep 29, 2020

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#118

I have great respect for Petrosian and Karpov. They are great players. But they one by getting a one pawn advantage, then nursing it in the endgame to a queen. Most people would say that this is less exciting than one of Tal’s crazy sacrifices leading to mate.

I’m not saying Tal is better than Petrosian, just more fun. I’m also not saying that I’m a more worthy human for preferring open fun boards.

What I am saying is that calling my play disgusting is offensive, and show a real disregard for the history of the game and some of its greatest players.

PILOTOXOMXD

Sep 29, 2020

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#119

Well, Petrosian won less games, drew way more games, but subsequently, lost less games.

Tal is insanely entertaining. I spent like 4 hours just watching his games once. But, he does win more games, draws absolutely none, but subsequently loses more games that Petrosian

PILOTOXOMXD

Sep 29, 2020

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#120

lol, "calling my play disgusting is offensive" while we're talking about Gambits and sacs