I Hate the Scandinavian. How to crush?

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YOu could always play the ICBM gambit, but thats pretty bad if your opponent knows what they are doing.

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blueemu wrote:

Unfortunately, the Scandinavian is a sound opening. You can't "crush" it.

I always say it is, but the Lichess engine calls it an inaccuracy. But it is sound. 

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Why do you "hate" it? Is it because you often lose to it or is there some other reason?

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There are ways to take advantage of Black's misplaced queen. On a more strategic level, White can rapidly develop the pieces and take central space with d4, while Black's slow grasp of the d5 square with Nf6, e6, and c6 takes much longer. 

 

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BoiBoiDoi1 wrote:

The tennison gambit is a useful tactic for low-level games

It isn't the tennison gambit.

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I just resign and block when someone plays the Scandi. I don't have time for the same boring game every time. It's always the same super boring ick and I don't have the patience to waste part of my life playing against it.

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ShrekChess69420 wrote:

There are ways to take advantage of Black's misplaced queen. On a more strategic level, White can rapidly develop the pieces and take central space with d4, while Black's slow grasp of the d5 square with Nf6, e6, and c6 takes much longer. 


 

On the other hand, Black achieves a classical Caro-Kann type formation, without any need to prepare against the Panov-Botvinnik or the CK Advance variation.

The cost of this is the early commitment of Black's Queen.

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NikkiLikeChikki wrote:

I just resign and block when someone plays the Scandi. I don't have time for the same boring game every time. It's always the same super boring ick and I don't have the patience to waste part of my life playing against it.

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Lack Of Confidence

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Why don't you play 2.d4 then?

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Optimissed wrote:
NikkiLikeChikki wrote:

I just resign and block when someone plays the Scandi. I don't have time for the same boring game every time. It's always the same super boring ick and I don't have the patience to waste part of my life playing against it.

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Lack Of Confidence

Actually, no. I LOVE complicated openings. I play the King's Gambit, Grunfeld, and the Alekhine, and no two games are ever alike. The theory on all of those is deep and rich and your opponent can play the opening a zillion ways. It's always fun. The Scandinavian's theory can be written on a small napkin with a Sharpie. I'm serious when I say every game is the same. I hate games that are brutally boring so I just quit. There's nothing about confidence in that.

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NikkiLikeChikki wrote:

Actually, no. I LOVE complicated openings. I play the King's Gambit, Grunfeld, and the Alekhine, and no two games are ever alike. The theory on all of those is deep and rich and your opponent can play the opening a zillion ways. It's always fun. The Scandinavian's theory can be written on a small napkin with a Sharpie. I'm serious when I say every game is the same. I hate games that are brutally boring so I just quit. There's nothing about confidence in that.

So answer 1. e4 d5 with 2. d4.

The Blackmar-Diemer Gambit (1. d4 d5 2. e4) is complicated... no?

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NikkiLikeChikki wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
NikkiLikeChikki wrote:

I just resign and block when someone plays the Scandi. I don't have time for the same boring game every time. It's always the same super boring ick and I don't have the patience to waste part of my life playing against it.

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Lack Of Confidence

Actually, no. I LOVE complicated openings. I play the King's Gambit, Grunfeld, and the Alekhine, and no two games are ever alike. The theory on all of those is deep and rich and your opponent can play the opening a zillion ways. It's always fun. The Scandinavian's theory can be written on a small napkin with a Sharpie. I'm serious when I say every game is the same. I hate games that are brutally boring so I just quit. There's nothing about confidence in that.

If you get similar games all the time, you have to deviate yourself. For example, play 3.Nf3 and go for c4,d4,Nc3,Be2,0-0. There is actually some theory, but at your level nobody knows it.

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NikkiLikeChikki wrote:

I just resign and block when someone plays the Scandi. I don't have time for the same boring game every time. It's always the same super boring ick and I don't have the patience to waste part of my life playing against it.

But don't you transpose into a Scandi line yourself with Black, after 1.e4 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5?

 

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Actually the Scandi was one reason why I gave up with 1. e4. It's completely sound and 1. d4 openings are more complex and interesting. I found I won much quicker with 1. d4 because most players know more e4 theory than d4 theory. You can get a won position against a badly played Slav or Chigorin in eight moves.

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Optimissed wrote:

Actually the Scandi was one reason why I gave up with 1. e4. It's completely sound and 1. d4 openings are more complex and interesting. I found I won much quicker with 1. d4 because most players know more e4 theory than d4 theory. You can get a won position against a badly played Slav or Chigorin in eight moves.

Speaking about Scandi structures: how do you handle the Semi-Slav?

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Jenium wrote:
NikkiLikeChikki wrote:

I just resign and block when someone plays the Scandi. I don't have time for the same boring game every time. It's always the same super boring ick and I don't have the patience to waste part of my life playing against it.

But don't you transpose into a Scandi line yourself with Black, after 1.e4 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5?

 

The Scandi line of the Alekhine plays out *nothing* like the Scandi. Usually they push e5 and all hell breaks loose. The chessable course has 65 variations just after Nf6. Besides, I usually play slower unrated games against people several hundreds points higher than myself, and only a fraction of those play Nf6 - maybe 1 in 6. Mostly I play mainline theory which has five main variations and several sidelines. It doesn't even compare to the number of possible branchings that the Scandinavian has.

And @Sred - I am familiar with that line and it also isn't very interesting.

The Scandinavian is limited and boring and the opposite of rich. Proof? The chessable Scandi course has 143 variations: that's all they could squeeze out of it. The openings I like have about three times that and the Nepo KG course completely neglects ever single Bc4 line.

Face it, the vast majority of Scandi players use it because they don't have to learn anything in order to do reasonably well. You just trade off your center pawn and settle in for a 70 move snoozefest where one person is up a pawn and nurses it to promotion. No thanks.

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NikkiLikeChikki wrote:

... You just trade off your center pawn and settle in for a 70 move snoozefest where one person is up a pawn and nurses it to promotion. No thanks.

Some people call that chess happy.png. Karpov is not your favorite player, I guess.

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1. e4 d5 2. Nc3 dxe4 and what stops Black from playing a Caro-Kann with a whole tempo up?

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NikkiLikeChikki wrote:

I just resign and block when someone plays the Scandi. I don't have time for the same boring game every time. It's always the same super boring ick and I don't have the patience to waste part of my life playing against it.

thats the spirit.. I always wanted to be that kind of person. stop.. kill.. continue.