To be fair blitz and bullet are more sporting then classical which imo is outdated and boring for players and fans. Hikaru has probably done more to popularize chess then Fischer ever did lol. FIDE needs to change with the times and chess players need to stop acting so exclusive.
Weak, 1/10 on the troll meter. You have to try harder, my man.
But chess in its long history has always been considered a high society game that looked down on others. The game of kings. Wasn't until the 19th century poor people started playing and it was still excluded from most womena and minorities. But the fact that its not popular leads a chess player to believe he is superior to society thinking they are simply not smart enough to play. Thats how it looks from the INSIDE from your peers, not to the rest of society who just find it boring and snobby.
Paul Morphy didn't want to be known as a chess player, because that was low class... associated with gambling even. In fact 100s of years before Morphy, various religions (Christianity and Islam) have banned chess playing for exactly that reason (a waste of time and gambling).
I don't know when chess started to be seen as classy. Maybe it was loosely associated with the aristocracy? I don't know.
It literally started out as a game only played by Kings bud. Hence the name. lol Paul Morphy quit chess probably for many reasons. He publicly said he didn't like the attention and publicity. . he Had no competition, maybe didn't want to be seen as losing the title. etc...
He wanted to be a lawyer (even passed the bar exam), I think at least to him, that was the ticket to social status, not the fact that he was good (extremely good) at chess.
But his practice was a flop and died in poverty at his moms house. Still didn't want to play chess.
Yep, exactly. He was famous in chess circles, and he hated it. I suspect if you'd asked him in life, he'd rather have been remembered a bad lawyer than the world's best chess player.
Colleagues of Nimzovwtch's father, a timber-trade, used to tease him this way: "how it was, mr. Nimzowitch, that in your respectable family there appeared such a tramp?"
But chess in its long history has always been considered a high society game that looked down on others. The game of kings. Wasn't until the 19th century poor people started playing and it was still excluded from most womena and minorities. But the fact that its not popular leads a chess player to believe he is superior to society thinking they are simply not smart enough to play. Thats how it looks from the INSIDE from your peers, not to the rest of society who just find it boring and snobby.
Paul Morphy didn't want to be known as a chess player, because that was low class... associated with gambling even. In fact 100s of years before Morphy, various religions (Christianity and Islam) have banned chess playing for exactly that reason (a waste of time and gambling).
I don't know when chess started to be seen as classy. Maybe it was loosely associated with the aristocracy? I don't know.
It literally started out as a game only played by Kings bud. Hence the name. lol Paul Morphy quit chess probably for many reasons. He publicly said he didn't like the attention and publicity. . he Had no competition, maybe didn't want to be seen as losing the title. etc...
He wanted to be a lawyer (even passed the bar exam), I think at least to him, that was the ticket to social status, not the fact that he was good (extremely good) at chess.
But his practice was a flop and died in poverty at his moms house. Still didn't want to play chess.
Yep, exactly. He was famous in chess circles, and he hated it. I suspect if you'd asked him in life, he'd rather have been remembered a bad lawyer than the world's best chess player.
I doubt that very much buddy. I suspect he stopped playing like many accuse fischer of doing. Because he didn't want to be known as losing the world champ title. Like most professional atheltes you retire while you are on top to be remembered as being on top. Michael Jordan, probably the most revered athlete in human history is an exception. lol
I can't tell if you're being serious.
During Morphy's life, there was no world champion title, and Morphy went through great pains to play the best chess player in Europe (he suffered both financially and his health for his efforts).
I don't even know what we're disagreeing about... I think you're arguing he quit to avoid defeat, and in the larger context you're arguing against my point that Morphy is a good counter example of how chess players see themselves as special for being good at chess.
Meanwhile I'm pointing out the opposite is true: Staunton is the one who ran away from Morphy, and Morphy didn't care about being the world's best player, retiring at an early age.
I don't know man, boxing comes to mind. It was extremely common for the all time greats to have many matches after their prime. Hagler is the only one I can think of who retired on top.
Also, all the people you mention lost later in their careers so...
that plus he didn't like the publicity. He absolutely did...
Are you just making this up? You don't seem to know much about Morphy's life.
He used to get very angry when people referred to him as a chess player, especially if they introduced him to others as such. He insisted that he was a Lawyer and a Gentleman, who just happened to play chess well.
If you want a key to Morphy's psychology... in the South, chess was viewed as a type of gambling, like poker. The woman who Morphy wanted to marry turned him down because she "didn't want to marry a chess player". I suspect that this episode colored his attitude for the rest of his life.
But please research the subject... don't just make up your own "facts" about Morphy.
This is one thing me and llama actually agree on.
It's safe to assume we don't agree on anything.
Ben's does not beat around the bush. That's not to everyone's liking. But his content is 1000 times more informative than Levy's in my opinion.
I actually don't watch much of Levy but the few videos I've seen have helped me like his fried liver video helped me with my knights or his how to stop queen opening attacks video. I've never got anything out of Ben's videos, the guy is just a troll. I have watched alot of Levy's recent tournament recap videos which helped me understand alot about FIDE tourneys i found interesting as well.
Levy's videos are not my cup of tea, but I can see why he is popular. From what I have watched, Levy basically tries to make beginners and lower rated players feel good by selling short-cut openings and by focussing on chess entertainment rather than on long term improvement, e.g. by commenting chess like it's a football match, coaching in pog champs, creating videos like "how I catch online cheaters" or "guess the elo", playing online blitz etc.
Ben's chess instruction is more "serious". While his jokes might be repetetive, I found his lectures on great players of the past or on certain topics quite useful.
Did you actually say Ben is more serious? Buaahahahaha. I never saw his past lectures. I only know of him from twitch and he isn't less toxic then HIkaru or less entertainment based then levy. Don't make me laugh.
No, I didn't. I don't know Ben or Levy or Hikaru personally, so I will not judge their personalities. I said his chess instruction. And yes, analysing the games of Capablanca, Rubinstein or Fischer is surely more "serious" than having two 800 players submit their game and guessing their rating.
"Morphy returned to America in May, 1859, and was greeted with all the enthusiasm due a conquering hero. In the presence of a vast assembly in the chapel of the University of New York he was presented with a testimonial in the shape of a magnificent set of gold and silver chess men, with board to match, the most costly, perhaps, that were ever wrought. The festivities of this occasion were unhappily marred by a dramatic episode that showed Morphy's growing sensitiveness to the profession of chess. Colonel Charles D. Mead, president of the American Chess association, was chairman of the reception committee which greeted Morphy, and in his address of welcome he made an allusion to chess as a profession, and referred to Morphy as its most brilliant exponent. Morphy took exception to being characterized as a professional player, even by implication, and he resented it in such a way as to overwhelm Colonel Mead with confusion. Such was his mortification at this untoward event that Colonel Mead withdrew from farther participation in the Morphy demonstration."
"An incident may here be related as showing how Morphy was often crucified on the cross of his fame. He became enamored of a wealthy and handsome young lady in New Orleans and informed a mutual friend of the fact, who broached the subject to the lady, but she scorned the idea of marrying a "mere chess player". Small wonder that he became morbid and abjured the practice of chess."
Paul Morphy: His Later Life (C.A.Buck, 1902)
Where Naka was once only slightly lower rated than Magnus, being the second highest rated player in the world.
Socially arkward anti social autistic sociopathic nerds, I didn't even know anyone could be so many things, let alone in only one sentence.
I'm not understanding your point. Are you trying to help me prove my point he did not like the attention? haha. Thankyou for agreeing with me? LOL
In post #72 above you specifically claim that Morphy "absolutely did" like the publicity.
"that plus he didn't like the publicity. He absolutely did, almost anyone who is competitive does."
Now you are pretending that you claimed the exact opposite.
Socially arkward anti social autistic sociopathic nerds, I didn't even know anyone could be so many things, let alone in only one sentence.
I feel bad for people like Hikaru and Magnus who had to grow up in that environment. You can't really fully blame them for how clearly disturbed their personalities are.
Why do you think Magnus has a "disturbed personality"?
I'm not understanding your point. Are you trying to help me prove my point he did not like the attention? haha. Thankyou for agreeing with me? LOL
In post #72 above you specifically claim that Morphy "absolutely did" like the publicity.
"that plus he didn't like the publicity. He absolutely did, almost anyone who is competitive does."
Now you are pretending that you claimed the exact opposite.
Yeah, he's pretty shameless that way.
Socially arkward anti social autistic sociopathic nerds, I didn't even know anyone could be so many things, let alone in only one sentence.
I feel bad for people like Hikaru and Magnus who had to grow up in that environment. You can't really fully blame them for how clearly disturbed their personalities are.
Why do you think Magnus has a "disturbed personality"?
I'm more interested in how @cooloutAC would describe his own personality.
I mean... 0% chance he'd be candid about it here, but for example, if I could meet him in person, maybe with a lot of other people around, and see how he interacts. Maybe catch him in an agreeable mood and see if he'll talk about himself openly.
Because, you know, it's fine to hate this community, and chess players in general, and etc.
But regardless of what you think of yourself and others, at some point you have to account for the fact that wherever you go, people don't like you... and even if you tell yourself you prefer it that way, I mean, that's like saying you prefer unpleasant feelings. It's fundamentally impossible without abnormal psychology.
And you might say "abnormal isn't necessarily inferior" well sure, you might be a superior human, that would be one way to explain it, but in the end there needs to be an explanation of some kind.
And asking coolout how he views himself would be one way to discover what his answer is.
But chess in its long history has always been considered a high society game that looked down on others. The game of kings. Wasn't until the 19th century poor people started playing and it was still excluded from most womena and minorities. But the fact that its not popular leads a chess player to believe he is superior to society thinking they are simply not smart enough to play. Thats how it looks from the INSIDE from your peers, not to the rest of society who just find it boring and snobby.
Paul Morphy didn't want to be known as a chess player, because that was low class... associated with gambling even. In fact 100s of years before Morphy, various religions (Christianity and Islam) have banned chess playing for exactly that reason (a waste of time and gambling).
I don't know when chess started to be seen as classy. Maybe it was loosely associated with the aristocracy? I don't know.
It literally started out as a game only played by Kings bud. Hence the name. lol Paul Morphy quit chess probably for many reasons. He publicly said he didn't like the attention and publicity. . he Had no competition, maybe didn't want to be seen as losing the title. etc...
He wanted to be a lawyer (even passed the bar exam), I think at least to him, that was the ticket to social status, not the fact that he was good (extremely good) at chess.