I think the WCM title should not be given out anymore

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I believe that there is a strong positive connotation that goes with "chess master", meaning that there needs to be a foundation for mastery of chess, and this WCM title is basically given to any woman who is an intermediate player at that given time. I have seen many WCMs who have just stayed at the 1700 or even lower and I think it brings down the connotation of the word "chess master" and those who can be called "master".

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Everybody certainly cares what you think

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it could be said that by most standards, 1700 is a rank of a master, just not a grand one

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woollensock wrote:
Why does it matter to you ? 🤷‍♂️

Personally I just see no reason for this title to exist, besides giving motivation to female players which I understand, but the CM title is already there so why have a lower title that plays no purpose, but to restate this is all imo ofc

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Laskersnephew wrote:

Everybody certainly cares what you think

The feeling is mutual

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I would go even further as to eliminate Women's titles completely. Having separate titles for female players really sends out the wrong message - that one gender is better at the game than the other. 

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now that they've changed the requirements for CM there is a giant difference between the skill level of a CM and a WCM

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@jij2018, they think that your title is bogus., LOL. happy.png

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I think the opening poster is wrong about everything.

The requirement of WCM is 2000 Elo, not 1700.

Furthermore, "candidate master" is not a master, only a candidate to become a master (just think about the Candidates' tournament - they are not world champions, but candidates to become one.)

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rishabh11great wrote:
cerebov wrote:

I think the opening poster is wrong about everything.

The requirement of WCM is 2000 Elo, not 1700.

Furthermore, "candidate master" is not a master, only a candidate to become a master (just think about the Candidates' tournament - they are not world champions, but candidates to become one.)

Well, candidate master is a master, please check before u say, its a title.

It' s a title, but not a master. Obviously.

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cerebov wrote:

I think the opening poster is wrong about everything.

The requirement of WCM is 2000 Elo, not 1700.

Furthermore, "candidate master" is not a master, only a candidate to become a master (just think about the Candidates' tournament - they are not world champions, but candidates to become one.)

i didn't think of it that way before... interesting...

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I agree with the OP

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I also think non brits or Americans should be able to get NM

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cerebov wrote:

Furthermore, "candidate master" is not a master, only a candidate to become a master (just think about the Candidates' tournament - they are not world champions, but candidates to become one.)

Very true. Strange they named it CM and not Master Candidate. MC sounds a bit cooler too.

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rishabh11great wrote:

Lol i first thought that this is @blueemu but its someone else

Lol, I first thought that this is Vishy Anand. But then I saw their rating. tongue.png

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WCM is given out at 2000 FIDE. NM is given at 2200 USCF, which is 2000-2100 FIDE. If you want to abolish WCM, abolish NM also. I wonder how many Americans will be on board for that as well

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NM is 209 ecf as well

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FIDE should have a special kid title for ppl (maybe KM?) below 12 years old but once they are 13 they have to get another title would that make sense?

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Jenium wrote:
cerebov wrote:

Furthermore, "candidate master" is not a master, only a candidate to become a master (just think about the Candidates' tournament - they are not world champions, but candidates to become one.)

Very true. Strange they named it CM and not Master Candidate. MC sounds a bit cooler too.

When Jon Ludvig Hammer made MC,  they changed it to CM to avoid trademark issues. 

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rishabh11great wrote:
drmrboss wrote:

@jij2018, they think that your title is bogus., LOL.

Well,  I see that she is a strong player with FIDE of 2093 so why is she a WCM she should be a CM or a WFM, just see many are there with FIDE of 1200 or 1300 and so they should not be called as "masters" or i can say that i have beaten many masters and i am a "master".

She is a US NM (2200+); she just chose the WCM title for her chess.com profile instead.