I think the WCM title should not be given out anymore

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Pearhurst wrote:

chess.com/member/lularobs

FIDE has this thing that they give out titles for "achievements" rather than for rating. So according to her bio she got her WCM title not by hitting 2000 but by having a good performance at the Olympiad. It's quite common. Alex Botez, for example, is a WFM despite never hitting 2100.

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llama_l wrote:
dsanchez1973 wrote:
chesssblackbelt wrote:

You all underestimate how hard 2000 fide is. It's way harder than chess.com. You need to be at least 2300 on chess.com.

Well I can asset this definitely isn't true

Your blitz rating is something like the bottom 5% of NMs though. I looked at your games expecting you to be moving really slowly, but you don't do that. Maybe some people are just bad at blitz? shrug*

Or I guess... one of those people who got the master title many years ago and then took a long break from chess.

If someone is actively >2200 OTB, active in online blitz, and under the age of, IDK, 40, then I'd expect their blitz to be 2400 at least, and has high as 2600-2700.

I agree but you responded to the wrong person lol I was so confused.

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Oh chess.com just confuses me idk

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Women can already gain men titles if they want to. I dont see whats the problem to motivate them with special women only titles as well.

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llama_l wrote:
dsanchez1973 wrote:
chesssblackbelt wrote:

You all underestimate how hard 2000 fide is. It's way harder than chess.com. You need to be at least 2300 on chess.com.

Well I can asset this definitely isn't true

Your blitz rating is something like the bottom 5% of NMs though. I looked at your games expecting you to be moving really slowly, but you don't do that. Maybe some people are just bad at blitz? shrug*

Or I guess... one of those people who got the master title many years ago and then took a long break from chess.

If someone is actively >2200 OTB, active in online blitz, and under the age of, IDK, 40, then I'd expect their blitz to be 2400 at least, and has high as 2600-2700.

I think I hit just about every one of your points - no longer <40, got the master title many years ago then took a long break, and kind of just not that good at blitz anymore anyways happy.png

I proudly wear my bottom 5% badge.

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Bro put it as his status
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MariasWhiteKnight wrote:

Women can already gain men titles if they want to. I dont see whats the problem to motivate them with special women only titles as well.

Or one could add another general title for 2000s (men and women) and remove the women's titles altogether. Is a WGM title really more motivating than an FM title, if everyone knows that both refer more or less to the same level?

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What if they added more titles of groups of people that don't really play chess much? Like black master or disabled master. That would be better I think.

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Jenium wrote:
MariasWhiteKnight wrote:

Women can already gain men titles if they want to. I dont see whats the problem to motivate them with special women only titles as well.

Or one could add another general title for 2000s (men and women) and remove the women's titles altogether. Is a WGM title really more motivating than an FM title, if everyone knows that both refer more or less to the same level?

WGM is a bit better than FM since it requires norms. FM just has a rating requirement.

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refer to post 2 for the author of this post's honest reactoin without sarcasm

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magipi wrote:
tygxc wrote:

@44

You can change gender and get your title.

No he can't. The guy is 1200 rated on chess.com, he probably can't even get a FIDE rating, let alone a title.

I do have a FIDE rating - https://ratings.fide.com/profile/343425682

my chesscom rating is underrated.

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Also, we're coming off point

Having separate titles for women in chess can be seen as sexist because it creates an unequal playing field. Why can a woman with a FIDE rating of 1500 have a FIDE Title, but I can't

1. Different Standards: Women can earn titles like Woman Grandmaster (WGM) and Woman International Master (WIM) with lower ratings than the equivalent male titles. For example, a WGM requires a rating of 2300, while a male Grandmaster (GM) needs a rating of 2500. This means women can achieve prestigious titles with lower performance, which seems unfair to men who have to meet higher standards.

2. Equality in Competitions: Chess is a mental game, not a physical one, so there's no inherent reason why men and women should be separated by different standards. If both genders compete under the same rules, having different titles for women suggests they need special treatment, which can be viewed as patronizing.

3. Merit-Based Recognition: Titles should be a mark of merit and skill. When women receive titles that men can't, despite having lower ratings, it diminishes the value of the title itself. Men and women should be recognized equally for their abilities, not their gender.

4. Reinforcement of Stereotypes: Offering separate titles for women reinforces the stereotype that women are weaker chess players. Instead of encouraging mixed competition and equal standards, it subtly implies that women need a "helping hand" to succeed in chess.

5. Impact on Male Players: Male players might feel resentful or demotivated knowing they have to work harder to achieve the same recognition that their female counterparts receive more easily. This creates an imbalance and unfairness in the chess community.

In summary, having separate titles for women in chess can be seen as sexist because it sets different standards based on gender, rather than purely on skill and performance. Achieving true equality means recognizing all players by the same criteria, regardless of whether they are men or women.

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Pearhurst wrote:
magipi wrote:
tygxc wrote:

@44

You can change gender and get your title.

No he can't. The guy is 1200 rated on chess.com, he probably can't even get a FIDE rating, let alone a title.

I do have a FIDE rating - https://ratings.fide.com/profile/343425682

my chesscom rating is underrated.

21 otb games Vs thousands of online games. It's more likely your otb rating is overrated.

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Also can you show the ecf rating? 2000 ecf and 696 rapid is unbelievable lol

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ChessTerTheChesstato wrote:

it could be said that by most standards, 1700 is a rank of a master, just not a grand one

It is still the advanced level not a master yet. You need to cross 2100 for it. And for GM you need to have three grandmaster norms and a FIDE rating of 2500 atleast to apply for it and once you have it you can then apply for the GM title in chess.com or maybe even Lichess.org.

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TheKrugingDunnerEffect wrote:
Pearhurst wrote:

chess.com/member/lularobs

lol

I remember how she was just your average slightly-famous chess.com streamer, then one day, I clicked on her profile and saw her title. I was very shocked and confused. She got it but her otb rating was only 1500... This sure is madness.

She got her title at the 2022 Chess Olympiad in Chennai, playing for Guernsey and scoring 50% at nine games, which is the requirement for a title at the Olympiad, regardless of rating.

Chess Olympiads are the one and only event that titles may be granted without a rating requirement.

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Pearhurst wrote:
magipi wrote:
tygxc wrote:

@44

You can change gender and get your title.

No he can't. The guy is 1200 rated on chess.com, he probably can't even get a FIDE rating, let alone a title.

I do have a FIDE rating - https://ratings.fide.com/profile/343425682

my chesscom rating is underrated.

Your Pinocchio syndrome seems to be way underrated as well.

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chesssblackbelt wrote:

Also can you show the ecf rating? 2000 ecf and 696 rapid is unbelievable lol

alr it's my blitz otb rating but my rapid otb is 1718 and classical is 1691 (out of a lot of games, it's an A rating. I will admit my blitz is overrated for now

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https://www.ecfrating.org.uk/v2/new/list_games_player.php?ECF_code=351347G&player_no=351347&domain=S

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thanks, but I think maybe I should be closer to 1.7k blitz