I think the WCM title should not be given out anymore

Or one could add another general title for 2000s (men and women) and remove the women's titles altogether. Is a WGM title really more motivating than an FM title, if everyone knows that both refer more or less to the same level?

WGM is a bit better than FM since it requires norms. FM just has a rating requirement.

refer to post 2 for the author of this post's honest reactoin without sarcasm

I do have a FIDE rating - https://ratings.fide.com/profile/343425682

my chesscom rating is underrated.

Also, we're coming off point

Having separate titles for women in chess can be seen as sexist because it creates an unequal playing field. Why can a woman with a FIDE rating of 1500 have a FIDE Title, but I can't

1. Different Standards: Women can earn titles like Woman Grandmaster (WGM) and Woman International Master (WIM) with lower ratings than the equivalent male titles. For example, a WGM requires a rating of 2300, while a male Grandmaster (GM) needs a rating of 2500. This means women can achieve prestigious titles with lower performance, which seems unfair to men who have to meet higher standards.

2. Equality in Competitions: Chess is a mental game, not a physical one, so there's no inherent reason why men and women should be separated by different standards. If both genders compete under the same rules, having different titles for women suggests they need special treatment, which can be viewed as patronizing.

3. Merit-Based Recognition: Titles should be a mark of merit and skill. When women receive titles that men can't, despite having lower ratings, it diminishes the value of the title itself. Men and women should be recognized equally for their abilities, not their gender.

4. Reinforcement of Stereotypes: Offering separate titles for women reinforces the stereotype that women are weaker chess players. Instead of encouraging mixed competition and equal standards, it subtly implies that women need a "helping hand" to succeed in chess.

5. Impact on Male Players: Male players might feel resentful or demotivated knowing they have to work harder to achieve the same recognition that their female counterparts receive more easily. This creates an imbalance and unfairness in the chess community.

In summary, having separate titles for women in chess can be seen as sexist because it sets different standards based on gender, rather than purely on skill and performance. Achieving true equality means recognizing all players by the same criteria, regardless of whether they are men or women.

It is still the advanced level not a master yet. You need to cross 2100 for it. And for GM you need to have three grandmaster norms and a FIDE rating of 2500 atleast to apply for it and once you have it you can then apply for the GM title in chess.com or maybe even Lichess.org.

She got her title at the 2022 Chess Olympiad in Chennai, playing for Guernsey and scoring 50% at nine games, which is the requirement for a title at the Olympiad, regardless of rating.

Chess Olympiads are the one and only event that titles may be granted without a rating requirement.

Your Pinocchio syndrome seems to be way underrated as well.

alr it's my blitz otb rating but my rapid otb is 1718 and classical is 1691 (out of a lot of games, it's an A rating. I will admit my blitz is overrated for now

https://www.ecfrating.org.uk/v2/new/list_games_player.php?ECF_code=351347G&player_no=351347&domain=S

thanks, but I think maybe I should be closer to 1.7k blitz

Here's an article from 2020 written in the wake of the success of The Queen's Gambit that I think covers the issue pretty well:

https://theconversation.com/whats-behind-the-gender-imbalance-in-top-level-chess-150637

I agree that women's titles should and could disappear eventually, but that point of equal opportunity still feels a long way off when folks are claiming that they don't need them even now.

See also the rise of attitudes towards women as demonstrated in Andrew Tate and his ilk's popularity, the restriction of women's rights and bodily autonomy in various places and the fact that even in my home country of Australia, a woman is killed by a current or former intimate partner every 11 days https://www.aihw.gov.au/family-domestic-and-sexual-violence/responses-and-outcomes/domestic-homicide. In England and Wales it was 1 every 4-5 days between 2009/10 and 2021/22 if my math is right: https://www.statista.com/statistics/288298/female-victims-of-homicide-england-and-wales-by-relationship-to-offender Although you'd need to divide those numbers by population to get a more appropriate comparison. Couldn't find what the rate was in the US handily, but I'm sure the data exists.

Look at my games OTB - Ive even recently beat a 1850 in classical. I just haven't used the account in a long time. I'm near london so we could meet, DM me where you're playing (if it is ok) and i'll see if i can join u!

True though this is, it is sad, but not relevant to the topic. We are discussing the fact that womens titles have lower standards, and it is unfair on men that we have to work so much harder to get a title a woman can get with very low elo.

@chesssblackbelt - how are you 20 points above the FIDE floor but 2100+ on this site? a blitz rating of 2100 is probably near to ~1900-2000 FIDE

it's really not. I know someone who is 2100 blitz and 2060 FIDE, and many more. 1600 FIDE is easy to get now days

fair enough. I'm trying to play as much blitz on here to get to 2k, but i estimate my strength to be maybe 200/300 points too low for now, but maybe i can just play and play until i get better.

it's like the arena titles. if chess.com aren't including them why are they including woman titles?

What do you mean “not relevant”? Women are offered titles not for the purposes of fairness towards men but because they have and still are treated unfairly. If chess were actually a level playing field then they wouldn’t need their own titles, but it’s not - it’s how any sort of affirmative action works. If you don’t do anything, the existing entrenched structural disadvantages remain and they’ll never be addressed. See the last article I posted - only 6% of internationally rated players were women in 2001 rising to 15% in 2020. Here’s another article from just last year https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2023/10/05/parents-and-coaches-think-girls-have-less-potential-in-chess-according-to-new-study/#:~:text=New%20research%20has%20found%20real,cause%20for%20this%20gender%20disparity