Idiots and checks

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RUSBoris

So I've already encountered one of these a-holes. What happens is that at end game they find it amusing to check you with their queen, and you have no defenses so you move out of the way, and they then check you again. You move back. They check you... etc etc and they do this forever. They know they can't check mate you and they are losing, but they keep doing this to annoy you.

 

Are there some rules against this? e.g if they do this enough they auto-lose or something?

ivandh

This is called draw by perpetual check.

Loomis

http://blog.chess.com/Loomis/perpetual-check

Rikeil

The best way to think about this is to realize that any legal move in chess is a legal move.  Perpetual check is a perfectly legal draw tactic.

thePIguy

you must make a perpetual check by moving back and forth while getting checked, not around the board, and you will get a perpetual check draw

Shivsky

Ditto on the comment about perpetual checks.  If you don't have issues about missing a tactical shot and letting your opponent take advantage of that and deck you, why is he suddenly an idiot for taking advantage of your exposed king? 

Legal moves are legal moves.   

I highly doubt they are just trying to annoy you ... if you signed up for a blitz/bullet game or anything with a clock,  chances are that this would be one way to flag you.

ivandh
RainbowRising wrote:

maybe learn the rules of chess first before playing, that often helps


That would reduce greatly the number of people playing, and the number of people who would learn. I do not expect someone to have memorized the FIDE rulebook before their first pawn move.

SilverCrown
ivandh wrote:
RainbowRising wrote:

maybe learn the rules of chess first before playing, that often helps


That would reduce greatly the number of people playing, and the number of people who would learn. I do not expect someone to have memorized the FIDE rulebook before their first pawn move.


I think he meant that the OP should learn that perpetual checks are part of the game just like all of the other "cheap" and annoying stuff that may occur and that people just have to deal with it.

RUSBoris

Seems like a real cheesy thing to do. You could have all your pieces while your opponent only has his queen left and still theoretically end up in a draw.

 

IMO if a player checks his opponent more than 5 times with the same piece in a row, he should automatically lose.

 

I don't know how that justifies a draw when it's CLEARLY not.

electricpawn

Think about king safety as you play. This might help prevent a perpetual. How often does this happen?

psyCal
RUSBoris wrote:

Seems like a real cheesy thing to do. You could have all your pieces while your opponent only has his queen left and still theoretically end up in a draw.

 

IMO if a player checks his opponent more than 5 times with the same piece in a row, he should automatically lose.

 

I don't know how that justifies a draw when it's CLEARLY not.


really why should your opponent lose for attacking your king consistantly, it is considered a draw cause if your and idiot enough to leave your king open to attack that gives full rights to your idiot opponent to attack it. and if that attack is repeated, the position that is it is a draw

rooperi

The worst thing is, you feel like an idiot, you allow your opponent a draw in a won position. It's your fault, not his. Everybody watching points and laughs, and buys beer for your opponent. Just get over it, and be more careful next time.

Shivsky

What is it about the rules of Chess that is so hard to figure out?

Anybody can't just go on a checking spree because they feel like being cute. Only if the position warrants it (King exposed, down material etc.), a draw can be claimed because ... wait for it.... it is BETTER THAN LOSING.  

I'm a Tournament Director and if I see somebody like you raise their hand and whine that their opponent has done nothing but check them for the past 10+ moves with repeating positions,, guess what ... that's a draw to me ... and to every other TD on this planet.

GMs draw positions with 1-2 pawns up when they can't stop an impending perpetual check ... what makes you think you're so special? 

Latvianfan

The point of chess is to checkmate the enemy king.  Having more pieces than the other guy doesn't matter if he can checkmate you, or in your case check you forever.  This is the first example I thought of.

illusionweaver

the lessons would be-

1.check every check later in the game when the lines for the final pieces are completely open

2.dont be careless

3.excuses hold you back from moving up the ladder.. . .. I knew a guy who had the same view type on this subject, due do it he let it happen to hem again, in a Q5p vs Q1p endgame. . . ouch Embarassed

maapalaa
RUSBoris wrote:

So I've already encountered one of these a-holes. What happens is that at end game they find it amusing to check you with their queen, and you have no defenses so you move out of the way, and they then check you again. You move back. They check you... etc etc and they do this forever. They know they can't check mate you and they are losing, but they keep doing this to annoy you.

 

Are there some rules against this? e.g if they do this enough they auto-lose or something?


They are not a-holes...

polydiatonic
RainbowRising wrote:

maybe learn the rules of chess first before playing, that often helps


Yes Rainbow. Bumperooo. 

And, to the OP I'm sorry to say that the only "idiot" here is you.  After you've been playing longer and/or become more experienced you will hopefully understand why your post is so absurd.   The only thing you've really done here is here is wave a banner to all of us saying "Hi my name is RusBoris and don't know what the hell I'm talking about".

Deranged

That's actually a great link in response to this topic.

comradedew

You can capture most material and still not able to win the game due to some oversight, forcing a 3 repetition draw is a legit tactic

here's 1 of my game where I forced a repetition draw

bobbyDK
RUSBoris wrote:

Seems like a real cheesy thing to do. You could have all your pieces while your opponent only has his queen left and still theoretically end up in a draw.

 

IMO if a player checks his opponent more than 5 times with the same piece in a row, he should automatically lose.

 

I don't know how that justifies a draw when it's CLEARLY not.


It is not chessy it is part of winning to calculate that there is no perpetual check

you on the winning side should always be careful not to open for this.