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Einstein died April 18 1955. That ties in with my memory of having the conversation with my father around 3 or 4 years of age. It would have been on the wireless (radio) and my mother and father would have been discussing it. For some reason, I asked my father what the people he knew thought of Einstein and he answered that they disliked him. I think he regretted saying that because he wouldn't tell me why, when I asked him. My father wasn't a physicist. He knew these people for different reasons .... he worked at the same place and often travelled with them and so he got to know them.
Anyone who knows about Einstein's personal life would fully understand why they disliked him so much. So get back in your box.
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I think that Einstein could use his physics knowledge to make some sort of new strategic meta, right? Sometimes, you need to be thinking in more than two dimensions to really master the game and being good at physical studies would be optimal for that goal.
If Albert Einstein knew how to play chess, we could have another world champion, but we could lose one of the greatest scientists of all time.
Galaxybro wrote:
Einstein is quoted as saying: "Chess grips its exponent, shackling the mind and brain so that the inner freedom and independence of even the strongest character cannot remain unaffected."
So does sex but much more so. That was Einstein's personal weakness.
Oct 11, 2021
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btickler wrote:
MitSud wrote:
My IQ is slightly higher than Einstein's. While being good at chess may lead to having a high IQ, a high IQ, doesn't mean being good at chess.
Doubtful, and no...there is no evidence of any kind that being good at chess "leads" to having a high IQ.
IQ is an antiquated measure in any case, but the claims of 160+ IQs on this site are laughable regardless. We're talking about a 99.9968313965% percentile, here. A 160+ IQ married to 156 IQ? Somebody has a Mensa chapter that wants to make more money on membership dues, or maybe they are just lonely...
Someone here was saying that they only have a 130 IQ. 130 IQ is near genius level, and close to the 98th percentile. Yet if you post a thread here, 130 seems low, and you will find that about half of the people think they are 1 in 100, and a good chunk think they are 1 in 30000...what a load of BS.
My most "official" IQ test was 138...which seems inflated. My SAT scores are 99th percentile, which would be closer to 135. I have, however taken online IQ tests that score me at 150+...they are complete hogwash. Inflating IQ results leads to more website visitors, more paying membership dues, more magazines sold, etc. It's that simple. Everyone likes to think they are a hero/genius.
When the BBC did their documentary on intelligence, which Susan Polgar participating, they scoured the countryside for the smartest people they could find. They had 1 single guy with a verified 160 IQ. He lost, by the way, in the overall results. Susan Polgar was near the bottom, as well, for those of you on your "chess = high intelligence" kick.
That documentary also highlighted the role of pattern recognition in chess skill, contrasting it with a skill (lacking in Susan Polgar and nearly all strong chess players) that would exist if one had eidetic (photographic) memory. Eidetic memory more than likely interferes with development of pattern recognition.
Discussions of intelligence and chess always produce plenty of claims that are self-disproving.
Carry on.
Ziryab wrote:
btickler wrote:
MitSud wrote:
My IQ is slightly higher than Einstein's. While being good at chess may lead to having a high IQ, a high IQ, doesn't mean being good at chess.
Doubtful, and no...there is no evidence of any kind that being good at chess "leads" to having a high IQ.
IQ is an antiquated measure in any case, but the claims of 160+ IQs on this site are laughable regardless. We're talking about a 99.9968313965% percentile, here. A 160+ IQ married to 156 IQ? Somebody has a Mensa chapter that wants to make more money on membership dues, or maybe they are just lonely...
Someone here was saying that they only have a 130 IQ. 130 IQ is near genius level, and close to the 98th percentile. Yet if you post a thread here, 130 seems low, and you will find that about half of the people think they are 1 in 100, and a good chunk think they are 1 in 30000...what a load of BS.
My most "official" IQ test was 138...which seems inflated. My SAT scores are 99th percentile, which would be closer to 135. I have, however taken online IQ tests that score me at 150+...they are complete hogwash. Inflating IQ results leads to more website visitors, more paying membership dues, more magazines sold, etc. It's that simple. Everyone likes to think they are a hero/genius.
When the BBC did their documentary on intelligence, which Susan Polgar participating, they scoured the countryside for the smartest people they could find. They had 1 single guy with a verified 160 IQ. He lost, by the way, in the overall results. Susan Polgar was near the bottom, as well, for those of you on your "chess = high intelligence" kick.
That documentary also highlighted the role of pattern recognition in chess skill, contrasting it with a skill (lacking in Susan Polgar and nearly all strong chess players) that would exist if one had eidetic (photographic) memory. Eidetic memory more than likely interferes with development of pattern recognition.
Discussions of intelligence and chess always produce plenty of claims that are self-disproving.
Carry on.
It also turned out that Susan Polgar can shoot basketballs and pour wine upside down better than anyone...long story.
In the creative test, when asked to draw an abstract concept, she drew a chessboard 
. She also seemed bewildered by her peers at times.
Oct 11, 2021
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Maybe we are discussing two different documentaries. Do you have a link or title?
I was thinking of a three or four part sequence of videos titled "My Beautiful Brain" in which Polgar was featured in one episode. The scene that replicated what psychologists have learned about pattern recognition in chess involved two diagrams printed on either side of a truck that drove down the street, turned around, and drove back the other way. The first diagram was from an actual game and Polgar was able to reproduce it in a board after seeing it for a few seconds. The other had the pieces randomly placed on the board, and she could not reproduce it.
theres a good chance AE didnt even know what en passant was. lol !
Oct 11, 2021
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#113
Paul Morphy said “The ability to play chess is the sign of a gentleman. The ability to play chess well is the sign of a wasted life.”
What a shame it would've been had Einstein chosen chess over physics.
Oct 11, 2021
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#114
If Einstein had avoided spending too much time on chess he could have become of the world's greatest physicists. Actually, that's what he did.
A tip of the hat to #48. Brilliant post!
btickler wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
"Emanuel Lasker was undoubtedly one of the most interesting people I came to know in my later years. ... I am not a chess expert and therefore not in a position to marvel at the force of mind revealed in his greatest intellectual achievement - in the field of chess. I must even confess that the struggle for power and the competitive spirit expressed in the form of an ingenious game have always been repugnant to me.
That's a lie, of course. Freudian defence mechanism since Einstein played power games all his adult life.
I met Emanuel Lasker at the house of my old friend, Alexander Moszkowski, and came to know him well in the course of many walks in which we exchanged opinions about the most varied questions. ... it seemed to me that chess was more a profession for him than the real goal of his life. ... the chess playing of a master ties him to the game, fetters his mind and shapes it to a certain extent so that his internal freedom and ease, no matter how strong he is, must inevitably be affected.
That's probably true. Good comment there.
In our conversations and in the reading of his philosophical books, I always had that feeling. ... I liked Lasker's immovable independence, a rare human attribute, in which respect almost all, including intelligent people, are mediocrities. ... I am thankful for the hours of conversation which this ever striving, independent, simple man granted me." Einstein (1952)
A bit patronising? At this time, 1952 and just before, my late father knew scientists who knew Einstein. He once told me, when I was very young, that Einstein's associates didn't seem to like him. He wouldn't tell me why, though.
Translation:
Your father had a chip on his shoulder about Einstein for whatever reason (friend of a friend is not nearly enough to decide somebodies character on much less take factual information from, unless you already hate them/have judged them), and you grew up with that same grudge. The fact that you consider yourself to have a 160+ IQ just makes it even more important to distance yourself from someone you consider a sort of peer, even though you are actually light years away from ever being an Einstein.
Thanks to the post bumper from Iran looking for dirt on western idols...I had forgotten this sterling example of Optimissed's crackpot tendencies.
That could only be btickler, of course. A reasonably good communicator but not the brightest bunny in the World. My father had no reason to dislike Einstein and was only reporting to me what associates of Einstein thought about him and then only because I asked my father, for some reason, what they thought of him, when I was about four. I remember being quite surprised because I expected he would say that they looked up to him; but if anything, it was the opposite. When I asked him again, about 60 years later, a couple of years before his death, he had zero recollection of any of it. Another fail for dim-bunny?
Einstein used to say that many brillant minds was wasting time playing chess instead of dedeicate to other things like science.
Yes, much better to invent an H-bomb.
Mr_Someone_7 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
Galaxybro wrote:
Einstein is quoted as saying: "Chess grips its exponent, shackling the mind and brain so that the inner freedom and independence of even the strongest character cannot remain unaffected."
So does sex but much more so. That was Einstein's personal weakness.
But Einstein was married twice tho.
Yes?
"Emanuel Lasker was undoubtedly one of the most interesting people I came to know in my later years. ... I am not a chess expert and therefore not in a position to marvel at the force of mind revealed in his greatest intellectual achievement - in the field of chess. I must even confess that the struggle for power and the competitive spirit expressed in the form of an ingenious game have always been repugnant to me.
That's a lie, of course. Freudian defence mechanism since Einstein played power games all his adult life.
I met Emanuel Lasker at the house of my old friend, Alexander Moszkowski, and came to know him well in the course of many walks in which we exchanged opinions about the most varied questions. ... it seemed to me that chess was more a profession for him than the real goal of his life. ... the chess playing of a master ties him to the game, fetters his mind and shapes it to a certain extent so that his internal freedom and ease, no matter how strong he is, must inevitably be affected.
That's probably true. Good comment there.
In our conversations and in the reading of his philosophical books, I always had that feeling. ... I liked Lasker's immovable independence, a rare human attribute, in which respect almost all, including intelligent people, are mediocrities. ... I am thankful for the hours of conversation which this ever striving, independent, simple man granted me." Einstein (1952)
A bit patronising? At this time, 1952 and just before, my late father knew scientists who knew Einstein. He once told me, when I was very young, that Einstein's associates didn't seem to like him. He wouldn't tell me why, though.
Translation:
Your father had a chip on his shoulder about Einstein for whatever reason (friend of a friend is not nearly enough to decide somebodies character on much less take factual information from, unless you already hate them/have judged them), and you grew up with that same grudge. The fact that you consider yourself to have a 160+ IQ just makes it even more important to distance yourself from someone you consider a sort of peer, even though you are actually light years away from ever being an Einstein.
Thanks to the post bumper from Iran looking for dirt on western idols...I had forgotten this sterling example of Optimissed's crackpot tendencies.