IF, with either white OR black, it's always a draw with perfect play, tell me what the advantage it to having the white pieces. It will be a draw no matter what color you have.
If both white and black play a game perfectly, what would the result be
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Jan 6, 2020
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#23
coldknights wrote:
IF, with either white OR black, it's always a draw with perfect play, tell me what the advantage it to having the white pieces. It will be a draw no matter what color you have.
This is such a dumb question that it wouldn't do you any good if I answered it for you.
Figure it out for yourself, or despair at your inferior genetics. I don't really care which.
llamonade2 wrote:
drmrboss wrote:
Prometheus_Fuschs wrote:
It'd likely be a draw but then again, we (by we I mean the dozen or so masters who bothered to analyse them) wrongly evaluated some "simple" endgame positions as draws even thought tablebases eventually proved they were winning, as an example look up the KBBKN endgame. Another example is the following endgame produced by game 50 CCC11 finals played between Lc0 and SF (certainly not wimpy players) which was won by white, the blunder was apparently 43. ... f5 after which you get the following position:
No material advantages (or imbalances) and comparable king activity.
Your position was already known by Stockfish programmers. The problem happened when perfect chess ( tablebases results) were interrupted by stupid FIDE rules 50 moves rules/ 75 moves rules.
Why stupid rules are affecting engine's performances?
The reasons is " the state of game result changed with those rules". For example , SF see mate in 80, but due to 50 move rule, Stockfish store that result in her hash as draw. But when the game actually approaches with another 40 moves, the draw is not the draw anymore. ( actual mate in 80 become mate in 40)
In short, that lead to programmer error resulting Stockfish err. It is nothing to do with state of " being drawish in chess".
P.S. Normally engines stores search data in their hash memory. When the same position happens, engines doesnt need to search again and use stored memory data. But in above case, reuse of store data information become incorrect--》》 causing enging bug.
Oh, ok. That makes more sense, because IMO f5 is a pretty basic mistake.
Generally reuse of stored hash is safe as many circumstances, e.g mate in 80 or mate in 100 usually happens with pawn move or piece captures within 50 moves.
However, in OP position , like 1% of cases, there was already 40 moves of shuffling.
. Shuffling+ Fide move rule + reuse of data combination cause the bug.
You can do bug free stockfish for such rare circumstances but without reuse of hash engine performance will be significantly lower.
Jan 6, 2020
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#25
@coldknights
Before we continue you should know two things:
1) I'm drunk, so I'm also rude at the moment
2) I'm smarter than you
Jan 6, 2020
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#26
llamonade2 wrote:
@coldknights
Before we continue you should know two things:
1) I'm drunk, so I'm also rude at the moment
2) I'm smarter than you
But only because you're drunk. Go natty
Jan 6, 2020
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#27
First of all, bunny is not only funny, but wise, and I appreciate that.
Secondly yes, drunkenness leads to arrogance.
But as long as I'm sober enough to type (I'm about to remedy that lol) I'm rational enough to realize that @coldknights "logic" is laughable regardless of what I've ingested.
Jan 6, 2020
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#28
llamonade2 wrote:
What do morons consider logical?
I don't know, and I sincerely don't give a ****
Not being a moron, I don't know. What do YOU consider logical? I'm not sure you know what logic is.
Jan 6, 2020
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#29
coldknights wrote:
llamonade2 wrote:
What do morons consider logical?
I don't know, and I sincerely don't give a ****
Not being a moron, I don't know. What do YOU consider logical? I'm not sure you know what logic is.
Truth tables anyone? The bunny is too old tech
Jan 6, 2020
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#30
llamonade2 wrote:
@coldknights
Before we continue you should know two things:
1) I'm drunk, so I'm also rude at the moment
2) I'm smarter than you
You may be drunk, but that just shows that you're NOT smarter than me. You know nothing of logic.
Jan 6, 2020
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#31
A position can be a draw with best play, but that doesn't mean it's not easier for one side to play than another.
In some positions white's moves can be obvious, while black's are hard to find.
I shouldn't ridicule you for not knowing that. It certainly took me a long time before I was considering such things.
coldknights wrote:
If it would always be a draw, then that would logically mean that there is no advantage to having the white pieces. Think about it. If you go with the theory that it would always be a draw, you have to through out the centuries of thought that white has a slight advantage. You can't have it both ways.>>
The problem is that since humans do not play perfectly and since white generally gives slightly better development leading to more threats, black is more likely to make a mistake that leads to the loss of the game than white is. You're comparing two things that are not comparable, because errors happen.
Pikelemi wrote:
A perfect game
Technically the truth.
Jan 6, 2020
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#35
gf3 wrote:
you gotta play imperfect to be perfect
Imperfect world, imperfect solutions.
That's exactly right.
Lasker knew it ....
What do morons consider logical?
I don't know, and I sincerely don't give a **** .