Kitty-Ventura wrote:
what was nice about Fischer is that he didn't want help, so his book my 60 memorable games is all his own, no computers and no training from a regime. so he cracked up ? he'd have fitted in perfectly on chess.com.
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I wonder if you are being serious. His great book was a collaboration with Larry Evans.
I do wonder how many sock puppet accounts are involved in these Fischer/Karpov threads
Now Chessplayers Are Seeing The Chessboard More Closely Fischer Would Beat Karpov In 1975 And 1978 And Beyound Fischer Would Be Playing Kasporov And We Both Know Kasparov Had Problems With Karpov This Gets Back To Some Kind Of Collusion Among The Powers To Be Keep Fischer From Dominating The Chess World For Many Obvious Reasons! Just Think Karpov Would Of Never Been World Chess Champion! Kasporov Might Not Been Either!
ROBERT JAMES FISCHER WOULD OF NOT DIED THE WAY HE DID HE WOULD BE KING ON THE CHESSBOARD THEN THE JEWS FIDE ,USCF AND THE RUSSIANS AND THE CAPITALISTS WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH HIM AND THEY DID NOT WANT TO PERIOD SO SECRET AGREEMENTS TO BE WANTED OUT OF THE PICTURE CHESSBOARD CLOSED!!!!!!
SECRET AGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE POWERS TO BE WANTED HIM OUT
Decent enough troll bait, but you blew it by going ALL CAPS.
Well, I wanna touch on some of the Fischer's claims.
Indeed, Fischer claimed that all of K-K-K matches from '74 to '90 were pre-arranged. Now, I'm not saying it's true, but I understand. Fischer must have had the impression that Russians would do whatever it takes to cheat their way to the top. That some cheating did occur in the 60s became known later. Although the extent of that cheating was not too bad but, if that's done to you, I'd understand that you would extrapolate things out of proprtion; and that's, most likely what Fischer had done. He thought that the whole world was against him; well, there's some truth to it; but that some truth is enough to make a person paranoid. Especially somebody like Fischer - a very sensitive person. I would say Fischer was not sick or crazy; perhaps overly sensitive and guarded. There are lots of people like that. And, depending on one's life circumsances, one may end up being more sensitive and guarded.
Of course, later in life Fischer made some anti-American remarks. I'm not saying he was right, but I understand. Here, it's known that the US Gov't certainly did commit a lot of bad crimes around the world and inside the country... Of course, if one looks at the big picture, one will see that the US is actually a benign superpower. But, if one walks in Fischer's shoes, one can certainly understand the guy's feelings about his own country. First, he was thrown in jail & beaten; then the US Gov't was after him because he played a match in Yugoslavia. If they were smarter, they'd just tax some more money and leave Fischer alone. I bet in that case Fischer would live happily the rest of his life; he might yet still be with us. And this is a good question too - what if that was the case? The fact that his life turned out to be so tragic didn't have to be the case...
Last but not the least, Fischer did make some hateful remarks about the Jews and others. Now, among chess players that is unique. However, Fischer is not the only (great) person who had done that. There are many others who dislike Jews to a degree and also express their opinion either directly or with some more caution. So, I'm not saying Fischer did everything right, but I understand. He always spoke what (he believed) was the truth. And the fact that he was being prosecuted for speaking his mind should certainly tell people something.
So, these are my thoughts on the matter.......
Of course, later in life Fischer made some anti-American remarks. I'm not saying he was right, but I understand.
...and leave Fischer alone. I bet in that case Fischer would live happily the rest of his life; he might yet still be with us. And this is a good question too - what if that was the case? The fact that his life turned out to be so tragic didn't have to be the case...
Last but not the least, Fischer did make some hateful remarks about the Jews and others. Now, among chess players that is unique.
So, these are my thoughts on the matter.......
You have some daring thoughts here, but then you are not a 'flag-obsessed' American lol 
As for Fischer's views on Jews: Other chess players have also 'disliked' them. Among others: Aljechin and Spassky. But I also think you should separate personal opinions about different people and countries, and chess playing and other 'sports'. For example: It was clearly wrong, that the Moscow Olympic Games in 1980 were boycotted by the West. That's something each athlete should have decided to do for himself. Not politicians, of all people!!
I would say Fischer was not sick or crazy; perhaps overly sensitive and guarded. There are lots of people like that.
Spirit: There are lots of overly sensitive and guarded people. There are not lots of people like Bobby Fischer.
There was no "happily ever after" for Fischer if only he hadn't been jailed in 1981 nor been pursued by the US government after 1992.
Fischer was mentally ill. We can debate the nature, causes and severity, but it was obvious to the few people close to him from his teenage years on that he needed help, which he always refused.
Fischer was mentally ill. We can debate the nature, causes and severity, but it was obvious to the few people close to him from his teenage years on that he needed help, which he always refused.
The 'treatment' for mentally ill people in those days were scaring. Electric shocks, for example 
The US were the first to do such 'things' in a mass scale. And then the doctors also did lobotomy on patients. Not uncommon in those days.
Fischer had most probably decided that he would not play another match after he won in Iceland.My guess is he had had enough with the Soviets and then he may have thought how sweet it is to be remembered as the undefeated Champion.In so doing of course he parted for good with a considerable sum of money and accepted the reality of being one of the short-lived Champions ,despite being arguably the greatest player ever.Personally I think he was stronger than Karpov and this is supported by their respective ELO ratings of 1975(Fischer2785,Karpov2720).However,knowing how badly the Soviets wanted revenge,and seeing what kind of lengths they would go to in order to help their player(Karpov-Korchnoi 1978 for example)Fischer may just have taken a very wise decision...
"...to be remembered as the undefeated champion.In so doing of course he parted for good with a considerable sum of money and accepted the reality of being one of the short-lived Champions.."
- - THAT'S NOT TRUE! He could have written a lot of chess books and earned a lot of money in doing so. He did nothing of the sort! Just look at Karpov (again!! ).
Fischer was mentally ill. We can debate the nature, causes and severity, but it was obvious to the few people close to him from his teenage years on that he needed help, which he always refused.
The 'treatment' for mentally ill people in those days were scaring. Electric shocks, for example The US were the first to do such 'things' in a mass scale. And then the doctors also did lobotomy on patients. Not uncommon in those days.
But hardly common either. Most people with mental problems then, as now, saw a professional and talked to them. That's all anyone had in mind for Fischer.
If there are "flag-obsessed Americans" then there are certainly America-hating obsessives, if we are going to keep bringing up America in these topics.
"...to be remembered as the undefeated champion.In so doing of course he parted for good with a considerable sum of money and accepted the reality of being one of the short-lived Champions.."
- - THAT'S NOT TRUE! He could have written a lot of chess books and earned a lot of money in doing so. He did nothing of the sort! That's just crazy!! Just look at Karpov (again!! ).
Whether by design or through lack of writing skills,the fact is you are not making any sense,sorry..
I would say Fischer was not sick or crazy; perhaps overly sensitive and guarded. There are lots of people like that.
Spirit: There are lots of overly sensitive and guarded people. There are not lots of people like Bobby Fischer.
There was no "happily ever after" for Fischer if only he hadn't been jailed in 1981 nor been pursued by the US government after 1992.
Fischer was mentally ill. We can debate the nature, causes and severity, but it was obvious to the few people close to him from his teenage years on that he needed help, which he always refused.
If you let psychologists' run things, we'd all be locked up. 
I come from a family of medical backround and I know a bit about the field. If we take any give Human being, there's no such a thing as 'normal.' This does not concern only the mental state but also the physical state. Everybody has a little something - a few health issues here and there, a few mental problems caused by traumas here and there. We simply live in such a World that there's no avoiding that. So, I say, don't be quick to judge somebody as being mentally ill or not; somebody else may judge that about you. :)
Now, about Fischer... Was he suspicious? Yes, he had to face dealing with the Feds before since his mother was a communist; so he always had to be on guard. Was he full of hatred? Yes, considered he believed himself to be cheated by so many (and, to some extent, he had been - from the real life to the chessboard). He also saw injustices around the World; he had to deal with more than a few injustices himself - bad things happened to him too. Trust me, when you fight injustice, you become full of hatred whether that hatered is warranted or not. It affects everybody... Was BF always objective? Heck no! But, I'm not surprised that he was the way he was. Any normal person would probably be even worse if he/she was in Bobby's shoes.
Of course, later in life Fischer made some anti-American remarks. I'm not saying he was right, but I understand.
...and leave Fischer alone. I bet in that case Fischer would live happily the rest of his life; he might yet still be with us. And this is a good question too - what if that was the case? The fact that his life turned out to be so tragic didn't have to be the case...
Last but not the least, Fischer did make some hateful remarks about the Jews and others. Now, among chess players that is unique.
So, these are my thoughts on the matter.......
You have some daring thoughts here, but then you are not a 'flag-obsessed' American lol
As for Fischer's views on Jews: Other chess players have also 'disliked' them. Among others: Aljechin and Spassky. But I also think you should separate personal opinions about different people and countries, and chess playing and other 'sports'. For example: It was clearly wrong, that the Moscow Olympic Games in 1980 were boycotted by the West. That's something each athlete should have decided to do for himself. Not politicians, of all people!!
Ha-ha, you must be referring to the gun thread where I presented my position in the most harsh manner; I guess that's why I was banned 
even as I did not offend anybody directly. :)
http://www.chess.com/forum/view/off-topic/guns3?page=9
But then, again, I'm not an American and all I was doing was having a little fun and presenting my firm position that the Second Amendment is a great thing to have. I hope that doesn't qualify me as crazy, does it?
P.S. I didn't know that other chess players disliked Jews. I guess I was wrong in thinking that Fischer was the only one. Thanks for pointing that out, I stand corrected.
what was nice about Fischer is that he didn't want help, so his book my 60 memorable games is all his own, no computers and no training from a regime. so he cracked up ? he'd have fitted in perfectly on chess.com.