if we "solve chess," will anyone play it anymore?

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craigamoffitt

In "mate in 72", imperfect defense could of course result in faster checkmates.  It really means "mate in 72 or less".

vickalan
craigamoffitt wrote:

John, "solved" means we know the result of perfect play.  From the opening position, that could be a draw, a win for white, or (unlikely!?) a win for black.  We actually already "solved" chess for endgames positions up to 7 pieces.

In other words, if the computer opens with 1. d4 and prints "mate in 72", chess is solved.

 

That's a good way to say it. It would be even a little more interesting if chess was solved and we had two perfect players for both White and Black. A game would then be the players sitting down at the table and would proceed in one of the following three ways:

 1) Black says I resign, and White accepts.
 2) White says I resign, and Black accepts.
 3) Black says I offer a draw, and White agrees.

But chess is not solved, and there are no perfect players, so we keep playing chess. Even computers have not solved chess, so we have tournaments between engines too.happy.png

 

Terminator-T800

Yes I will still be playing it. I be playing till I'm not alive anymore.... Just clam down & relax I'm not going anywhere

 

JustinOhio
TuckerTommy wrote:
Maybe a formula will be derived based on the algebraic notation of squares and the pieces that yields the best move...just a thought!

lol, you mean... Solving chess???  ha

krazeechess
Chesserroo2 wrote:

Give your computer White, and watch it fail to see what we can see. What else does it miss?

actually for me it works, it shows the queen sac

JustinOhio
universityofpawns wrote:

The number of possible chess games exceeds the number of all the know stars in all the known galaxies....fascinating how just a board game with 16 pieces each on 64 squares can do that!

 

You're not even close... I believe it's more known ATOMS in the universe, not stars. happy.png  Chess may be solved, some day, but it will not be solved by our conventional way of thinking and certainly not the way we currently use technology and computers.  It will take so much more. It will have to be some newly discovered process of analyzing, thinking, etc.  I don't think anything like that will happen for generations to come.  Humans would need to understand quantum physics, numbers, and how it all relates to the universe much better before this type of thought process will emerge.  It's mind boggling to think about.  

MARattigan
JustinOhio wrote:
universityofpawns wrote:

The number of possible chess games exceeds the number of all the know stars in all the known galaxies....fascinating how just a board game with 16 pieces each on 64 squares can do that!

 

You're not even close... I believe it's more known ATOMS in the universe, not stars.   Chess may be solved, some day, but it will not be solved by our conventional way of thinking and certainly not the way we currently use technology and computers.  It will take so much more. It will have to be some newly discovered process of analyzing, thinking, etc.  I don't think anything like that will happen for generations to come.  Humans would need to understand quantum physics, numbers, and how it all relates to the universe much better before this type of thought process will emerge.  It's mind boggling to think about.  

If you play under FIDE basic rules it's infinite.

TheKnightsAlliance

I think Gary Kasparov said it best when was asked about the topic.  He stated something similar to "Our technology allows us to travel faster with cars, but yet people still enjoy jogging ". 

Even if computers figure it out, the joy is in playing against others while I continue to figure it out