If you keep on losing matches ...

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Avatar of Batwoman-Sept-2019

... would it help if you played lots of bot matches?

In one of my last games (that I won ...) I had a 100 ELO game rating ...

My problem is: I don't know how to attack and this is because I kinda refuse to memorize attack theory A/B/C/etc ... like some robot.  My game style is: I do my opening, then my opponent attacks and I try to block/neutralize their attack.  I have no game plan whatsoever and just see what happens:  they could blunder or I could do a piece exchange to decrease the number of options they can attack me with.  When they're not attacking and we're at mid-game, I just move some pieces with no attack plan whatsoever, not really knowing why I move any piece.

Sometimes coach says I'm making a mistake when I develop my knight.  I mean: what??  You have to develop your pieces, right?  Then why the mistake, isn't developing them "Chess 101"?  Seems 100% illogical to me.

Also, I can't "see" how moving pawns strengthens my game except for creating pawn chains.

So, to conclude: should I just stop playing humans and play 100+ bot games? This is almost getting me depressed ...

Avatar of Fr3nchToastCrunch

Bots don't play like humans do. You'll get too used to bots and get wrecked when people obviously play differently than they do.

The most obvious case of this is that bots tend to make incredibly obvious blunders at the most random moments. Things that only a 100 elo might do. In PvP gameplay, this starts to become more seldom at around my level. We still blunder a ton, but in ways that are typically much less obvious.

Avatar of Batwoman-Sept-2019
Fr3nchToastCrunch wrote:

The most obvious case of this is that bots tend to make incredibly obvious blunders at the most random moments.

What I think is the main problem is that a 1000 ELO bot could get shredded by a 400 ELO player.

I just beat 2 1000 plus one 1100 ELO bots, as a 5xx player. Bot compared to player ELO is really skewed and I think this should be fixed. Plus they tell you their tactics and strong/weak points!

Avatar of mikewier

I think the best way for a beginner to improve is to read books on basic opening, middlegame, and endgame principles. It is cheaper than a coach., who will be teaching you the same things. You can move at your own pace. You can try different authors until you find some that are at your level and that are understandable.

studying principles does NOT mean that you are just memorizing sequences of moves.

Avatar of Batwoman-Sept-2019

Wow, you're 2000+ ELO so instant respect! happy.png
I bought the "Checkmate!: My First Chess Book" Kasparov book and yeah if I want to get any better, I'd really have to get my head down and follow the master's instructions.
But I have a but: in whatever hobby, I have this need to re-invent the wheel, meaning: don't let people tell you how to do things, carve your own path!
And that's a problem I have. I've been producing music since 1991 but I learned everything by experimenting, and this also applies to chess.
But if you say: "Get a book, learn from it" then I guess I'll have to do that to get any better.
I DO remember the great Bobby Fischer saying: "Chess is 90% memorizing." or something to that effect. So for me, the improvisor, that's a real blow to the head. frustrated

But I can adapt! happy.png

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Previous forums have provided many book recommendations for beginners.

for decades, I have recommended Irving Chernev’s books: Logical Chess Move by Move, The Most Instructive Games of Chess Ever Played, and Practical Chess Endings.

i also recommend Fred Reinfeld’s Complete Chess Course. This sometimes appears as separate books on openings, middlegame strategy, and endings.

i think a mistake many people make on chess.com is thinking they can learn on their own just from playing many games. The problem with that is that they are then learning by trial and error. It is so much faster to learn the principles and then play games to apply what one has learned.

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mikewier wrote:

i think a mistake many people make on chess.com is thinking they can learn on their own just from playing many games. The problem with that is that they are then learning by trial and error. It is so much faster to learn the principles and then play games to apply what one has learned.

Yes quite possibly so, but to me the ability to get better at anything by trial and error is extremely satisfying. I had music labels being interested in my songs and I know I can go toe-to-toe with some heavies who make millions but because of certain circumstances I was never allowed to "make it" in music. So really, I AM trial and error with almost everything. Music theory? I tried it several times, didn't see the use or logic of it, so I ignore it since it totally limits my imagination and I'd end making songs like everyone else.

Maybe chess is "anti-experimentalism"?

Avatar of mikewier

Chess has much room for creativity. However, before you can come up with novel ideas that are successful, you should have already mastered the basics. New approaches by beginners are almost always awful. You can learn to avoid them by trying them out and discovering that they fail. Or you can learn from those who have gone before.

i think it is faster, easier, and more successful to learn from the masters than to learn through trial and error.

Avatar of ChessMasteryOfficial

Treat every loss as a lesson. Analyze your games and look for recurring patterns in your mistakes.

Avatar of 1D10Tmc

great advice, thanks everyone

Avatar of Batwoman-Sept-2019

Yes indeed, thanks for the information.

But the thing with me is: since my early teens I had to learn everything myself. No friends, no family members to ask them about anything so this "re-inventing the wheel" has become a huge part of my personality.

Sure I learned "some" chess basics: develop your pieces early, castle early, plus some things I figured out myself such as pawn chains are good, create an escape route for your king, watch out for (especially) knight forks, but once the book moves are done I'm clueless on how to attack so it's almost always my opponent attacking and me blocking/neutralizing, then trying to see if they make a mistake somewhere. It happens quite rarely that I see a 2/3 move attack.

I have one good strategy though: while waiting for their move, I write down moves I could be making in a .txt file or possible attacks I should be wary of. "If they do this, do A or B", stuff like that.

But yeah, I should go trough the Kasparov book start-to-finish and get a basis on how to attack/defend/calculate moves (still don't know what that means btw).

Or pack it all in if I'm too stubborn to do that. happy.png

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mikewier wrote:

It is so much faster to learn the principles and then play games to apply what one has learned.

Sorry to quote you again but would it be better to stop playing for a week or 2, read my book, make notes on techniques I'd like to incorporate into my game and only then get back to playing online?

[edit]

So this is me, ignoring what I just said here and now out of 12 matches, winning 11 of them and getting 1 draw. And this while drinking some wine. Alcohol makes me play better, when I'm sober I play too fast and blunder or don't see any traps.

I'm weeiiirrrd LMAO