I'm convinced now - studying too many tactics makes me worse

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Avatar of foobarred1

I wrote about this since i had the same problem as the OP.

https://www.chess.com/blog/foobarred1/part-iv-hitting-the-chess-gym-with-tactical-training

Avatar of darkunorthodox88

this is a fairly common problem i dont see people acknowledge. When you begin a heavy tactical puzzle  regimen, you begin over-compensating in your games, because you are trying to see the fruits of your labor, but this usually takes weeks or even months to fully manifest. Instead you begin focusing in moments where there is nothing to focus, or you get a false confidence in certain positions 

it happens to me even at my level.  You have to learn to power through and make it an exercise in not trying too hard to force results before they are due. The mind takes time to organically acclimate to a careful rigorous regimen.

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Yes, it's bound to be bad for chess ability. It isn't chess.com's fault, particularly, unless they promote it as a panacea. It's the fault of those who fall victim to it, by taking the advice of those who don't know any better. Lots of people tell others to do puzzles and tactics training all the time. Worst thing that beginners can do. They need to learn the basics first.

Avatar of Caffeineed

the more i play, the worse i get. i hate it

Avatar of technical_knockout

oh lookie 0 puzzles for optimissed too:

there's a host of benefits that come from solving;

patience, deliberation, analysis, evaluation, broadened move horizon, creativity, determination, threat-detection, the habit of constantly searching for the best move... these are important chess skills.

if you're not solving 3500+ puzzles you may as well be doing some puzzle rush to build up your pattern recognition but hey, at least i KNOW what i'm saying.

Avatar of brasileirosim
There is something else. It is not enough to learn the patterns, you have also to try to create them actively in your games. Sometimes the knowledge of a certain pattern will make a player blind, as he will perhaps focus so much on winning a piece by tactical means, but ignoring the fact that there is a checkmate against him at the end of the line. This happened for example in my game against VitalyZykov, one of my last games. For this reason is it important to regularly study a book on defense, as you get s feelings for danger situations.
Avatar of MisterWindUpBird

Yeah, you can try too hard to force tactics in games. Was it Tal that said 'Many a player has lost a game by trying to win a piece.' I think I've been doing this a lot lately. People find defensive and counter-play options you've overlooked in your enthusiasm, and uh-oh... I used to calculate more thoroughly, but I've been trying to play less defensively to avoid zugzwang issues with cramped positions. It's a learning curve. Two steps forward: one step back. That's how it goes sometimes.

Avatar of brasileirosim
I am now giving a go with Silman’s How to Reassess Your Chess. I hope I can understand better the game. I am working right now with positional sacrifices, which is a cool topic.
Avatar of BigKingBud

yes, don't count on tactics to make you better as a whole, they are only a small part of the game.  My advice, watch a single game play through, every single day.

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BigKingBud wrote:

yes, don't count on tactics to make you better as a whole, they are only a small part of the game.  My advice, watch a single game play through, every single day.

I am playing too many Daily Chess right now (several tournaments), so it is difficult to do sometimes else. But at least I checked a diagram when somebody from my study group post someone (in Chessable, search “How to Reassess Your Chess” in the forum).

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I use Chesstempo.com's tactics, the reason is because the timer on chess.com is not the point(for me).  The point in tactics(imo) is to see entire patterns.  For example, when I click on the first move and wait for the board to move so I can 'see' the next move, I believe it is counterproductive to growth.  IMO it is better to try and envision the entire puzzle before I move any pieces.  But that's just my opinion.

Avatar of darlihysa

Its impotant to play slow chess with players of your strength!! 3 tactics at day are more than enough if you solve those without help!

Im at tactics at chess.com 2700 but I cantbeat 1500 players because I lack chess preparatory moves elo!

I find very difficult to play slow and I think that this skill it can be learned only at childhood age!

Avatar of darlihysa
darlihysa wrote:

Its impotant to play slow chess with players of your strength!! Stronger players can kill your passion definitely! Most of players at chess.com have a fake elo because they are stronger 2000elo or more so you can use an engine dumbell at your elo weight! That strength will keep your brain healthy while you improve over years!

3 tactics at day are more than enough if you solve those without help!

Im at tactics at chess.com 2700 but I cantbeat 1500 players because I lack chess preparatory moves elo!

I find very difficult to play slow and I think that this skill it can be learned only at childhood age!

Avatar of dongLanugon

"In chess open like a child, defend like a turtle and strike like a lion." If you lose that's an experience, study hard to win next game.

Avatar of Optimissed

Yes I agree. Too much tactics won't improve you. You have to learn how to see a normal game. That's more important. The tactics will come naturally but positional understanding won't come naturally.

Avatar of Optimissed
dongLanugon wrote:

"In chess open like a child, defend like a turtle and strike like a lion." If you lose that's an experience, study hard to win next game.

Who gave that advice? It's bad and applies only to an extreme type of player who is probably very experienced. Open like a child means open naively. If you defend too much like a turtle you won't be able to strike like a lion. He's trying to describe the "coiled spring" idea, which takes a lot of experience.

Avatar of technical_knockout

'play the opening like a book, the middlegame like a magician & the endgame like a machine', is the proper quote.

computers destroy us tactically, so that leaves humanity with a lot of room for improvement. 🙂

Avatar of Optimissed

^^ Sounds much better.

Avatar of ChessMasteryOfficial

Chess is a complex game that involves strategy, opening knowledge, endgames and positional understanding. Neglecting other aspects of chess for the sake of tactics may lead to imbalances in your play.

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