Improving your skill: Do fast games help more than regular/slow games?

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HerbalMart

I was recently adviced to play lots more bullet games than online games. What do you think? Do fast games have a better impact on your overall skill?

blueemu

Bullet will not improve your Chess. It will only improve your Bullet.

watcha
blueemu wrote:

Bullet will not improve your Chess. It will only improve your Bullet.

How true.

But you can improve by playing 15m+10s.

baddogno
Bullet?  Really?  Are you sure someone wasn't pulling your leg?  I've heard blitz recommended as an aid to quickly learn a new opening ( provided you review the games of course), but I've never heard of anyone being encouraged to play bullet for any reason other than fun. 
apostolis1

Blitz games help you improve your tactical and calculation ability, because you have to calculate fastly ! BUT, standard games help you improve your general playing. You improve in strategy, calculation, endgame etc. So, of you have the time, I think you should prefer playing long time games Wink

My opinion

AndyClifton

My advice:  play more Silver Bullet games!

Aortax

Million dollar question

waffllemaster
HerbalMart wrote:

I was recently adviced to play lots more bullet games than online games. What do you think? Do fast games have a better impact on your overall skill?

No.  In fact their impact is negative.  Blitz and "standard" can be good types of speed chess for practice games though.

ponz111

What you need to do to improve is to know what mistakes you make and then try and correct these mistakes. Most players do not know what mistakes they make. [they may know obvious mistakes]  So to become better record some of your games and then find a way to see what mistakes you made.

In bullet you are going to make a mistake about every other move.

If you play slower you will still make a lot of mistakes but you can learn from your mistakes.

FireAndLightz

If you are not very good, bullet will help you a lot of improving your chess skills. It helped me to find double attacks,checks, pinns, fast ( the basic technics that will make u a bit of better in chess, and yes I wasnt very good previous year (1100) ). It can also help you to improve at 1 opening. If you studied 1 opening, it is usefull to play the first moves fast cos u have to know what to do. But if you already are very good at chess, bullet wont help you to improve I think. But this is my view of it ;)

BishopCannons
HerbalMart wrote:

I was recently adviced to play lots more bullet games than online games. What do you think? Do fast games have a better impact on your overall skill?

 That advice is absolutely horrible! Bullet is based on chance and luck with pre-moves.  Tossing pieces around the board as quickly as possible is not chess, it's gambling.

 Getting into the kiss of death habit of moving too fast is a fantastic way to destroy your game.

  Chess is about thinking, about analyzing a position, thinking through the lines and finding the best line, or at least a good line and this takes time of course, which bullet doesn't provide.

  Stay away from bullet!

FireAndLightz

I think there are many people with a low concentration so I think playing fast games is a good way to improve chess cos it is a quality to find good moves fast. I think its boring to look 15mins to 1 position.

BishopCannons
mic15counterstrategy wrote:

I think there are many people with a low concentration so I think playing fast games is a good way to improve chess cos it is a quality to find good moves fast. I think its boring to look 15mins to 1 position.

   Good moves can't be found in seconds or even less.  If you have a problem with an attention span, chess isn't for you.

netzach

No.

Somebodysson

Bullet, I imagine, tests your reflexes; it doesn't train them, it tests them. To train your reflexes requires, as ponz111 points out, slow play and post game analysis. You can use fast chess to test whether you have learned the lessons you accessed in your analysis of slow games. Of course, you could also check how well you learned by continuing to play slow.

But the short answer is, slow+ analysis increases the possibility of finding the correct moves to make; fast tests whether you can make those correct moves at speed. Fast without slow doesn't permit you to ever increase your chance of finding correct moves, and so, a mono-diet of fast will guarantee that you do not rise above a certain level. That level, of course, will be 'your current level minus any drops that occur' by continuing on that faulty regimen. 

waffllemaster
mic15counterstrategy wrote:

I think there are many people with a low concentration so I think playing fast games is a good way to improve chess cos it is a quality to find good moves fast. I think its boring to look 15mins to 1 position.

It's not improving the quality of moves, just threat detection.  Bullet chess is basically identifying threats quickly.  If you can make threats faster than your opponent can respond (and if you can win an overwhelmingly won game with all pre moves) then you'll win a lot in bullet.

Making threats may or may not be useful in non-bullet games though.  You have to actually think about the position.

Identifying threats quickly is the only skill I'd say bullet improves... and if you play long games then it's not a very useful skill to have.

FireAndLightz

That s true but I think everyone can find a good move after staring 15mins to a position. I think its very frustating to wait a few minutes for a move in live chess.

Somebodysson
mic15counterstrategy wrote:

That s true but I think everyone can find a good move after staring 15mins to a position. I think its very frustating to wait a few minutes for a move in live chess.

Wrong! I often can't find a good move staring 30 mins at a position!

CP6033

No i think that longer is better

CP6033

One thing to note blitz is good to play if you are in a tournament where there might be a blitz playoff. just a side note