âŒINCREMENTâŒ in blitz chess has to go ! Seriously ! - Chess Forums - Page 2

NichtGut

Jun 10, 2018

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#21

Why? Everyone can play however they want. I prefer 3/2 from 5 0

MickinMD

Jun 10, 2018

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#22

CoffeeAnd420 wrote:

Absolutely ridiculous notion in the OP. Competitive chess is played with an increment or delay because the game isn't supposed to be decided by the clock.

That clearly is not the case fpr blitz, where the standard OTB time limit is 5 minutes with no increment and the clock DOES decide the game in many cases. USCF rule 5C. Ratable Time Controls includes, "Standard blitz uses no delay or increment," although 3/2 is allowed.

So your "absolutely ridiculous" is both wrong and mean spirited.

sadkid2008

Jun 10, 2018

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#23

ESP-918 wrote:

Increment should not be used in blitz chess ! It ruins the game ! How can people not understand that !?

Let me ask you one question, just out of curiosity. Let's say we play a standard blitz game, 5 0. We reach a completely equal opposite square bishop endgame, were both of us have like 3 or 4 pawns remaining or so. However, I still have 3 minutes remaining, while you have 5 seconds. Do you think you deserve a draw? I say no. Reasoning behind that is quite simple - blitz is all about combining your play with your ability to manage time. In this particular example, we reached the same position with me using 2 minutes to think, while you used 4 minutes 55 seconds to think. Who knows what would have happened if I used the same amount of time to think? Maybe I would be able to play better and we wouldn't even reach this endgame? However, I managed my time better, and in this case you deserve to lose, and don't give me that crap about "but it's a draw, it is unsportsmanlike to play on time!". That is what's blitz all about - combination between your play and time management. Adding increment takes this out of the blitz game, or at least lessens the factor of time.

If you could have played better if you used the same amount of time, then why didn't you do that instead?

aaaaaaairlol

Jun 10, 2018

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#24

^^ lmao at you trying to flex

SmyslovFan

Jun 10, 2018

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#25

The world blitz chess championship is played at 3 2 time controls. The top players in the world play with increment in blitz. Increment aint going anywhere.

opawnent

Jun 11, 2018

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#26

well if you were up 3 minutes on the clock and didnt use the time to convert it to a winning endgame, maybe you shouldve thought for longer! your 3 extra minutes are worth nothing, you should have used them earlier in the game to get a winning position.

ESP-918

Jun 12, 2018

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#27

5 mins blitz no increment: to quick, so many arguments ,talks about flag falls on tournaments etc....So not good right?

3|2mins with increment not good, my points beggining of the thread.

SO I think we need to compromise here about increment OR no increment AND make the BEST OF THE BEST time control in my opinion . Are you ready?

I introduce you to the best NEW time control in blitz, which is in my opinion 4|1 mins 4 minutes and 1 second increment.

I think that this particular time is perfect for blitz play as increment almost don't exist, but at the same time it does which is just perfect and = roughly 5mins blitz

HappyChessKid

Jun 12, 2018

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#28

This is stupid... minute blitz is very fun to play

Cylvouplay

Jun 18, 2018

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#29

ESP-918 wrote:

However, I managed my time better

My, NOT AT ALL ! You managed it well as for a bullet, but for a blitz with increment you managed terribly. As you yourself underlined, what would have happened if you spend more? Maybe you would have win. Thus it was extremely bad management. Increment changes the way time is managed. If you don't adapt then your Blitz ability will suffer badly. Time management is one important part.

JuergenWerner

Jun 18, 2018

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#30

SeniorPatzer wrote:

I first played speed chess before the era of digital clocks. They were analog clocks with red flags. There was no such thing as increment.

And when we played, you didn't have to say, "Check" and if you didn't get your King out of check, then the other guy could just swoop in and take it! And win the game! Playing 5 minute chess with no increment and having the possiblility of taking the other player's King was loads of fun!

this...

spawkle529

Jun 18, 2018

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#31

JuergenWerner wrote:

SeniorPatzer wrote:

I first played speed chess before the era of digital clocks. They were analog clocks with red flags. There was no such thing as increment.

And when we played, you didn't have to say, "Check" and if you didn't get your King out of check, then the other guy could just swoop in and take it! And win the game! Playing 5 minute chess with no increment and having the possiblility of taking the other player's King was loads of fun!

this...

I mean nowadays you're not actually supposed to announce check. In blitz, I'm fairly certain you can capture their king if they don't see the check. On to the topic at hand, I believe time is a crucial part of chess, argue what you want, but chess needs limitations/restrictions. It should be balanced. Some person shouldn't be allowed to sit there for 3 hours thinking up moves but they also shouldn't be able to play as fast as possible when poorly managing time to save their position, if it's losing. Personally, I play mostly 5/0 but I do play a good portion of 3/2.

JuergenWerner

Jun 18, 2018

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#32

No, when you capture their king you lose.

chessbased

Jun 18, 2018

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#33

good troll bad troll.....

breakingbad12

Jun 18, 2018

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#34

Are you being forced to play blitz with increment?

CM ATM622

Jun 18, 2018

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#35

why isnt 1 min good? or 5 min?

Cylvouplay

Jun 18, 2018

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#36

ATM622 wrote:

why isnt 1 min good? or 5 min?

Oh for a Troll having something that fits his need is NOT sufficient. He also needs to deprive others from having what they need if that doesn't fit his taste. The Troll has an instinct of contempt upon others, thinking others are just good to do what he want them to, no more, no less. He considers others as toys. And as you can see he feels perfectly fine doing like this, refusing to even consider any objection as he sees no reason for doing anyelse. That's why Trolls really sux.

ESP-918

Jun 20, 2018

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#37

breakingbad12 wrote:

Are you being forced to play blitz with increment?

YEEES!

SmyslovFan

Jun 20, 2018

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#38

SeniorPatzer wrote:

CoffeeAnd420 wrote:

SeniorPatzer wrote:

"We have titled players (NM's) who have never played a game with 60 minutes on the clock. Think about that."

Are you sure about that? That seems like an overexaggerated claim.

?? It's either true or it's not. It's an absolute. "Overexaggerated" isn't even a word. Yes - I personally know of NM's who have never played one USCF game with 60+ minutes on the clock.

Look, I have nothing against you but you already expressed what kind of chess you like: Some weird speed variant where if someone doesn't say "check" they can "swoop down" and grab the opponent's king!! You described this as "loads of fun" and even admitted that this was what was going on at your local chess club on game night. Once that cat's out of the bag, I don't think you're going to see eye to eye with anyone who takes the game even remotely seriously.

That's interesting that there are National Masters who have never played one USCF game with 60+ minutes on the clock.

BTW, that speed chess was played 30+ years ago when there was no digital clocks and no internet.

Don't believe everything you read, especially when the claim is not backed up by any evidence and the person then closes his account.

Go to the USCF website and look up the criteria for becoming a National Master, then go to FIDE and look up the criteria for becoming a FM.

SeniorPatzer

Jun 20, 2018

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#39

@SmyslovFan, #56: Oh my goodness, you're right. The account is closed. I saw that he was on a losing streak playing 5 minute chess. Don't know if that was the reason why he closed his account, but it is possible to rage-quit over losing at speed chess.

It just seems odd that a National Master would get his or her title without playing at least some 60+ minute/side game. I suppose it is possible, but just seems weird.

SmyslovFan

Jun 20, 2018

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#40

No, it's not possible, @SeniorPatzer, unless the rules have changed in recent years. I can't find any evidence of that.

I'm only talking about USCF and FIDE. I am not talking about online titles that almost nobody takes seriously.

Added: the more I think about it, I realize it's at least theoretically possible, but extremely unlikely. The slowest "rapid" rating is about g/30, so it's possible that there's a club where there's a ton of g/45 tournaments and several really strong players. I don't know of such a club, or of anyone who earned a +2200 rating playin exclusively in such events, but it's at least theoretically possible.