Infinite amount of monkeys playing chess

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Not having a word for something doesn't necessarily entail not having a concept for it. I went 20 years not knowing the word for the plastic part of the shoelace (aglet), but that doesn't mean I didn't understand the thing nor did it prevent me from using it. Likewise, not having a word for seven doesn't mean tribesmen from New Guinea can't recognize seven instances of X. In fact, modern psychologists and anthropologists have proven that they can.

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Crab-A-Blanca wrote:

Hmm, well. How would we get the infite amount of monkeys to play gently, sitting hours to play against each other?


You don't have to.  There's an infinite number of them, so an infinite subset will do it on their own. 

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I'm not good at maths, just tried to explain my thoughts :D

 

I agree with you, thank you for correcting me.

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TheGrobe wrote:
Crab-A-Blanca wrote:

Hmm, well. How would we get the infite amount of monkeys to play gently, sitting hours to play against each other?


You don't have to.  There's an infinite number of them, so an infinite subset will do it on their own. 


We discussed this a while back, it's not completely sure that the subset of monkeys who play chess some or all of the time at random is infinite, although it most likely is.

AYoung12 wrote:

Not having a word for something doesn't necessarily entail not having a concept for it. I went 20 years not knowing the word for the plastic part of the shoelace (aglet), but that doesn't mean I didn't understand the thing nor did it prevent me from using it. Likewise, not having a word for seven doesn't mean tribesmen from New Guinea can't recognize seven instances of X. In fact, modern psychologists and anthropologists have proven that they can.


No doubt they can distinguish between five papayas and seven of them. What is significant is that they never felt it worth the trouble to come up with words for the difference. Our ability to handle discrete numbers may be innate, but pretty much everything else we do with them seems to be a construct of society.

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I'm pretty sure it's infinite.

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Yes, if we have an infinite number of monkeys then the subset of them, as defined by a tendency to play chess at random, is certainly also infinite.

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Originally they did not even do that, they would stamp out "cow cow cow cow cow." Going from that to an abstract, generic symbol for each cow (or pig, or mistress Wink) was a big step, bigger than swapping out five symbols for a different one, in my opinion.

TheGrobe wrote:

I'm pretty sure it's infinite.


Like I said, I'm pretty sure it's infinite too. I said that it's possible that this isn't the case. If for some reason the number of monkeys who play chess as a function of total monkeys is convergent, then it's finite.

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Candypants wrote:

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS INFINITY! Not even in your imagination. I dont know why we have such a stupid word.

Einstein once said: "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."

But he was WRONG! (i know the quote is probably a joke) Give me a proof that anything is infinite. 


How many times can you type the letter q.

You're allowed to switch keyboards and not die. ever. and also new computers if needed. You can also choose to copy and paste.

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The Monkeys-Shakespeare question has been broached before in a thread called What are the chances of winning a game of chess by chance alone?

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Infinite attempts at anything will result in all possibilities being reached. So what is the point? If I play an infinite number of games against a Master I might win one?

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1pawndown wrote:

Infinite attempts at anything will result in all possibilities being reached. So what is the point? If I play an infinite number of games against a Master I might win one?


Are you a monkey?

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I don't get it, why would monkey's play chess ? All they do is pooping on their hands and trowing it to people.

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lol

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An infinite income or cash flow for monkeys and primates. parenthesis on yellow bananas, yellow papayas, etc.;  except yellow brick road. The paved road requires feasibility studies (minimal mental and enviromental damage, preferably), approval from proper authorities (maximum amount of bribe, preferably) and funding. Thus, toll boths = N 

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Crab-A-Blanca wrote:

Hmm, well. How would we get the infite amount of monkeys to play gently, sitting hours to play against each other?


Surely the answer is obvious? Create chess.com.

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Saber4 wrote:

I'll use evolution as a example.  Darwin said the that life started in some warm, little pool (I think some scientists think it started in the ocean but anyway).  I remember hearing some mathematician calculate the chances of all the right amino acids to form in the right order.  It was something like 10 to the power of 1000! 


How life arose from chemistry and physics is one of the most fascinating and difficult unanswered questions. Formulating the question of how likely life was to form by chance is so difficult that no calculated numbers can really be believed: we have a very incomplete understanding of the processes that may have led from inanimate soup to something with some of the characteristics of life, and from there to something we would call life.

Understanding is much better of how the building blocks of life could form in the early Earth. Lightning and an atmosphere like the early Earth can produce chemicals including amino acids. But making a self-replicating system from chemicals is a big step, so you need something in between which is poorly understood since it no longer exists.

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1pawndown wrote:

Infinite attempts at anything will result in all possibilities being reached. So what is the point? If I play an infinite number of games against a Master I might win one?


Does that mean that chess is a game of chance when played by monkeys? (And what if someone plays like a monkey, intentionally or not? You can see where this is leading...)

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fburton wrote:
1pawndown wrote:

Infinite attempts at anything will result in all possibilities being reached. So what is the point? If I play an infinite number of games against a Master I might win one?


Does that mean that chess is a game of chance when played by monkeys? (And what if someone plays like a monkey, intentionally or not? You can see where this is leading...)


Yes, chess is a game of chance when played by two (theoretical) monkeys. With real monkeys, a big barrier is them playing legal moves. But a suitable computer interface would make them only able to make legal moves and quite easily.

I reckon with a good supply of bananas it might be possible to get monkeys to solve simple tactics problems (based on them being able to play certain simple video games quite well).

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I fear for humanity the day monkeys learn to operate computers.

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It's happened, in a limited way. See this Nature article Chimp beats students at computer game