Is blitz/Bullet no skill chess? - Chess Forums - Page 2

Desri_18-12

Jul 30, 2023

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#21

cogadhtintreach

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ice_cream_cake

Jul 30, 2023

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#22

ghost_of_llama 写道:

ryanovster wrote:

once they pass the beginning part though, its open season for 99 percent of us.

Uh...

Not to be super rude or anything, but I'm not sure you could score 50% against me in 1+0, 3+0, or 5+0 with the handicap that I have to sac my queen for a pawn every game... I mean, I'm not experienced with such handicaps so I don't know... maybe I'd even win 10 in a row?

It's not about openings. It's the ability to see threats and organize pieces and calculate faster.

wow. I mean person is 800 bullet so i see what you are saying lol, but a while back i played two 10min games, one with queen handicap and one with three minor pieces handicap, 500 vs 1700. i won both games, but was super stressed the whole time...but tbf 1200 pt difference is less than the difference between you two XD

ice_cream_cake

Jul 30, 2023

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#23

ghost_of_llama 写道:

GabGarbage wrote:

Somebody told me Rapid is actual skill in chess . . .

I'm interested in other people's opinions though.

People tend to respect whatever time control they like playing.

In general I guess the longer the time control, the more snobby people get about it... most people are nice of course, but I'm just saying you're more likely to hear someone say only 60 minute games and longer are serious chess vs someone saying only 60 second games are serious chess.

When looking at someone's profile I tend to look at the blitz rating first. That's just me though, there's nothing particularly special about blitz.

Stronger players tend to look at blitz bc that's what you guys like to play a lot, but i do feel for players <2000 it is not so appropriate. Some people don't like fast tc's. @DoYouLikeCurry is 1800 rapid, ~1500 blitz for example, as blitz is not his thing.
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In a thread of mine @IronSteam1 mentioned that as your skill improves, you have less benefit from a rapid vs a blitz bc you are more able to quickly see what is in a position. However, for less strong players I do think there is a significant advantage of rapid vs blitz. I actually noticed for myself (playing a ton of games in the 1700s of blitz the other day) that I'm often making moves without actually being sure that my plan makes sense......kind of going off of the saying that a bad plan is better than no plan

ghost_of_llama

Jul 30, 2023

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#24

ice_cream_cake wrote:

ghost_of_llama 写道:

ryanovster wrote:

once they pass the beginning part though, its open season for 99 percent of us.

Uh...

Not to be super rude or anything, but I'm not sure you could score 50% against me in 1+0, 3+0, or 5+0 with the handicap that I have to sac my queen for a pawn every game... I mean, I'm not experienced with such handicaps so I don't know... maybe I'd even win 10 in a row?

It's not about openings. It's the ability to see threats and organize pieces and calculate faster.

wow. I mean person is 800 bullet so i see what you are saying lol, but a while back i played two 10min games, one with queen handicap and one with three minor pieces handicap, 500 vs 1700. i won both games, but was super stressed the whole time...but tbf 1200 pt difference is less than the difference between you two XD

Yeah, it can be scary because they can play, you know, 10 good moves in a row, and it's like oh crap, how can I possibly win this... but eventually a miracle always happens

A little-known fact about odds (but obvious after you hear it) is the higher rated the person receiving odds, the more the material is worth. A 2300 FIDE player getting knight odds is probably around 2800 strength (in long time controls), but a beginner basically gets zero rating points being given a knight.

So when you mention rating difference, it's more about whatever their rating is. Queen odds to an 800 is worth... IDK... not 1000 points I think. Even if there were increment. I'm willing to play 5+5

ghost_of_llama

Jul 30, 2023

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#25

ice_cream_cake wrote:

ghost_of_llama 写道:

GabGarbage wrote:

Somebody told me Rapid is actual skill in chess . . .

I'm interested in other people's opinions though.

People tend to respect whatever time control they like playing.

In general I guess the longer the time control, the more snobby people get about it... most people are nice of course, but I'm just saying you're more likely to hear someone say only 60 minute games and longer are serious chess vs someone saying only 60 second games are serious chess.

When looking at someone's profile I tend to look at the blitz rating first. That's just me though, there's nothing particularly special about blitz.

Stronger players tend to look at blitz bc that's what you guys like to play a lot, but i do feel for players <2000 it is not so appropriate. Some people don't like fast tc's. @DoYouLikeCurry is 1800 rapid, ~1500 blitz for example, as blitz is not his thing.
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In a thread of mine @IronSteam1 mentioned that as your skill improves, you have less benefit from a rapid vs a blitz bc you are more able to quickly see what is in a position. However, for less strong players I do think there is a significant advantage of rapid vs blitz. I actually noticed for myself (playing a ton of games in the 1700s of blitz the other day) that I'm often making moves without actually being sure that my plan makes sense......kind of going off of the saying that a bad plan is better than no plan

Yeah.

And my theory is (again, it sounds obvious after you hear it) that time vs quality is logarithmic right? For most people spending 5 seconds per move vs 10 seconds would be a very noticeable difference, but doubling your time from 1 minute per move to 2 isn't much.

Like you said, as players get better they see things faster... my 3 minute game is like someone else's 10 minute game... 10 minutes doesn't make sense to me because it's not enough of a time increase to affect quality very much... but to a new player the difference between 3 and 10 is huge.

So yeah, my theory is as players get stronger there's a natural tendency for their preferred time controls to become polarized i.e. very fast and very slow with not much in the middle... but I don't know that for sure. Obviously risk of playing cheaters is a big reason certain time controls are avoided.

ghost_of_llama

Jul 30, 2023

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#26

So yeah... 10 minute time control just feels like a lot of wasted time. I don't have enough to do any serious calculation, but I have more than I need to do blitz (10 minutes was called blitz until recently).

I've played a lot of casual 10+10 offline with some people in my area. That's a pretty good time control I think, although I'd prefer a little longer, like 15 + 10 or 15+15 or something.

ChessableLipss

Jul 30, 2023

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#27

It depends

ghost_of_llama

Jul 30, 2023

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#28

EviLOverMind wrote:

ghost_of_llama wrote:

ice_cream_cake wrote:

ghost_of_llama 写道:

ryanovster wrote:

once they pass the beginning part though, its open season for 99 percent of us.

Uh...

Not to be super rude or anything, but I'm not sure you could score 50% against me in 1+0, 3+0, or 5+0 with the handicap that I have to sac my queen for a pawn every game... I mean, I'm not experienced with such handicaps so I don't know... maybe I'd even win 10 in a row?

It's not about openings. It's the ability to see threats and organize pieces and calculate faster.

wow. I mean person is 800 bullet so i see what you are saying lol, but a while back i played two 10min games, one with queen handicap and one with three minor pieces handicap, 500 vs 1700. i won both games, but was super stressed the whole time...but tbf 1200 pt difference is less than the difference between you two XD

Yeah, it can be scary because they can play, you know, 10 good moves in a row, and it's like oh crap, how can I possibly win this... but eventually a miracle always happens

A little-known fact about odds (but obvious after you hear it) is the higher rated the person receiving odds, the more the material is worth. A 2300 FIDE player getting knight odds is probably around 2800 strength (in long time controls), but a beginner basically gets zero rating points being given a knight.

So when you mention rating difference, it's more about whatever their rating is. Queen odds to an 800 is worth... IDK... not 1000 points I think. Even if there were increment. I'm willing to play 5+5

2300 FIDE with extra knight will crush any human easily unless time control is short...

It's close though. Svidler played a 2100 at knight odds and said he won, but it was really hard. IIRC Kauffman estimated a knight is worth about 600 points to a 2100 (if we're talking FIDE and classical time controls)... so yeah, ok, 2300 was a little too high. They'd be over 3000 probably.

Cobra2721

Jul 30, 2023

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#29

EviLOverMind wrote:

ghost_of_llama wrote:

ice_cream_cake wrote:

ghost_of_llama 写道:

ryanovster wrote:

once they pass the beginning part though, its open season for 99 percent of us.

Uh...

Not to be super rude or anything, but I'm not sure you could score 50% against me in 1+0, 3+0, or 5+0 with the handicap that I have to sac my queen for a pawn every game... I mean, I'm not experienced with such handicaps so I don't know... maybe I'd even win 10 in a row?

It's not about openings. It's the ability to see threats and organize pieces and calculate faster.

wow. I mean person is 800 bullet so i see what you are saying lol, but a while back i played two 10min games, one with queen handicap and one with three minor pieces handicap, 500 vs 1700. i won both games, but was super stressed the whole time...but tbf 1200 pt difference is less than the difference between you two XD

Yeah, it can be scary because they can play, you know, 10 good moves in a row, and it's like oh crap, how can I possibly win this... but eventually a miracle always happens

A little-known fact about odds (but obvious after you hear it) is the higher rated the person receiving odds, the more the material is worth. A 2300 FIDE player getting knight odds is probably around 2800 strength (in long time controls), but a beginner basically gets zero rating points being given a knight.

So when you mention rating difference, it's more about whatever their rating is. Queen odds to an 800 is worth... IDK... not 1000 points I think. Even if there were increment. I'm willing to play 5+5

2300 FIDE with extra knight will crush any human easily unless time control is short...

You under estimate how insanely recoursful Super GMs are, even for a FM

ghost_of_llama

Jul 30, 2023

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#30

By the way, I think realizing thinking time vs quality of moves is logarithmic helps you structure your time management (in OTB tournaments).

For example after thinking for 2 minutes maybe you decide you'll spend 2 more to make it 4... but after that you probably need to realize that you need to either make a move, or commit to spending another 10-15.

ice_cream_cake

Jul 30, 2023

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#31

It's interesting to hear you put it that way....bc i'd imagine ppl actually do that without being conscious of it. i feel it's funny how much calculation our brains seem to do in a way that makes a lot of sense to describe in a mathematical fashion but we usually don't describe it that way.