is chess a sport?

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Chestnut_22 wrote:
Soniasthetics wrote:

If you think hitting a ball with a stick slowly requires even mediocre physical exertion then you have genuinely no idea about these games. 

 

Cooking literally requires more physical exertion than snookers/billiards. It's not a sport.

 

 

 

Try telling that to professionals who have to keep bending over and striking the cue ball for hours in front of an audience they may not have to be in great physical shape to compete but it helps.

u literally debunked ur own argument for me.

 

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Soniasthetics wrote:
Chestnut_22 wrote:
Soniasthetics wrote:

"Physical exertion"

throwing a dart accurately isn't physical exertion. hitting a ball with a stick slowly to get another ball in a hole isn't physical exertion. 

 

anyway games doesn't just mean video games. Games can be things like board games, mental games, etc etc. 

 

They're not athletic sports, like golf, but require tremendous skill physically to be good at.

They're also televised and popular making them more of an entertaining viewing spectacle than chess.

Pinball is more of a sport than chess.

You don't seem to understand. 

physical EXERTION. the definition of sport doesn't say JUST physical SKILL. 

Even if you were to make the argument that Darts requires more physical skill than football (soccer), that doesn't make it a sport. It's not "superior" for an activity to be called a sport, its literally just a classification. 

Football requires lots of physical exertion, darts requires practically none. Neither does chess. 

 

 

I think this is because all physical skill requires SOME exertion. So it's good to compare a sport with little exertion, but a lot of skill, like darts or pool. There are other sports that require a lot of exertion, but little skill, like weightlifting. Then there are some that require a lot of both, like tennis. 

But what about something that requires SOME physical exertion, but no physical skill? Something like Monopoly. Maybe tic tac toe. Or Clue. Crazy 8s. Probably most card games and board games. Chess. If we say a sport is something that requires some exertion, but no skill, then suddenly everything that involves activity (like yawning) is a sport. 

This is why the physical SKILL part of sport is so important, and the exertion part not so much. 

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tourIDchess10kp wrote:

How does chess not involve physical exertion

The rules of chess lay that out pretty clearly. The game is played by moving pieces on a board. But, the moves do not need to be physically made. They can be made virtually. With zero exertion. And obviously zero skill. 

Accommodations have been made by the ADA as well as other governing bodies to ensure that people with no physical abilities to play chess can still play. So they can make their moves by proxy. Talk into a machine, relay their moves to someone else, etc. 

There are probably a lot of games where this is also done. We've all had aunt Edna over for the holidays and played a board game where she could not move the pieces. So someone else did it for here. She didn't have to put forth any effort. 

But in sports you cant do that. You can't tell someone else that you just hit a baseball 400 feet. You have to ACTUALLY hit it 400 feet. You cant talk into a machine and say you'd like to hit a golf ball 300 yards. You have to ACTUALLY do that yourself. 

Because chess is a game, and not a sport, proxy is allowed. The physical skill demands of sport do not allow someone to simply say what the results should be. The results have to actually be carried out by the participant. 

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Everything requires a little physical exertion. that doesn't make it a sport. A sport is defined as an activity involving considerable physical exertion and skill. Games like darts, billiards, and chess might require one, but they dont require both, which is why they're not sports. 

 

football is a sport because it requires extensive physical exertion and physical skill, therefore its a sport. Darts requires physical skill, but little to no physical exertion. Neither does billiards, or chess. 

I don't understand why this extremely basic concept is so difficult to understand. It's almost like you guys take Chess not being labeled as a sport as some sort of low blow. 

 

Also your example of weightlifting requiring physical exertion but not skill is completely false. If you've ever gone to the gym you know there is form to lifting weights. not lifting weights properly can literally destroy your body. It requires a great amount of physical skill and exertion, hence it's a sport.

 

 

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Soniasthetics wrote:
Chestnut_22 wrote:
Soniasthetics wrote:

If you think hitting a ball with a stick slowly requires even mediocre physical exertion then you have genuinely no idea about these games. 

 

Cooking literally requires more physical exertion than snookers/billiards. It's not a sport.

 

 

 

Try telling that to professionals who have to keep bending over and striking the cue ball for hours in front of an audience they may not have to be in great physical shape to compete but it helps.

u literally debunked ur own argument for me.

 

I didn't debunk nothing lol cue sports were originally pub games played in a relaxed environment where participants drink and smoke they evolved into a sport when they started taking it seriously and broadcasting it worldwide.

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Chestnut_22 wrote:
Soniasthetics wrote:
Chestnut_22 wrote:
Soniasthetics wrote:

If you think hitting a ball with a stick slowly requires even mediocre physical exertion then you have genuinely no idea about these games. 

 

Cooking literally requires more physical exertion than snookers/billiards. It's not a sport.

 

 

 

Try telling that to professionals who have to keep bending over and striking the cue ball for hours in front of an audience they may not have to be in great physical shape to compete but it helps.

u literally debunked ur own argument for me.

 

I didn't debunk nothing lol cue sports were originally pub games played in a relaxed environment where participants drink and smoke they evolved into a sport when they started taking it seriously and broadcasting it worldwide.

So it's not a sport till it gets broadcasted to more viewers.

Either ur a bad troll, or ur very naive.

 

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Whether chess is a sport depends on the definition you use. The definition of sports (that I agree with the most) is an activity that tests your physical limits. This would include activities such as track, swimming, cross country, and cycling. Additionally, the sport should focus on improving one's physical abilities rather than a rigid system of rules. For example, soccer may test one's physical abilities, but the activity itself is based on a rulebook. Furthermore, it's important to make a distinction between sports and games. If you "play" something, it shouldn't be considered a sport-- it is an activity for recreational purposes rather than improving the body.

Of course, this is not a mainstream opinion. Going under Oxford's definition of sports as "an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment," chess can be a sport if you try playing human-sized bullet chess. You get the physical exertion from people running around to move pieces, and the presence of skill is evident.

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too bad we don't get to see Magnus running around with human sized chess pieces 

 

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Soniasthetics wrote:

Everything requires a little physical exertion. that doesn't make it a sport. A sport is defined as an activity involving considerable physical exertion and skill. Games like darts, billiards, and chess might require one, but they dont require both, which is why they're not sports. 

 

football is a sport because it requires extensive physical exertion and physical skill, therefore its a sport. Darts requires physical skill, but little to no physical exertion. Neither does billiards, or chess. 

I don't understand why this extremely basic concept is so difficult to understand. It's almost like you guys take Chess not being labeled as a sport as some sort of low blow. 

 

Also your example of weightlifting requiring physical exertion but not skill is completely false. If you've ever gone to the gym you know there is form to lifting weights. not lifting weights properly can literally destroy your body. It requires a great amount of physical skill and exertion, hence it's a sport.

 

 

Well I guess I could say it again, physical skill is going to require SOME exertion. So all sports are going to have both. Some sports have little exertion, but a high level of skill. And others are the opposite. Both darts and pool require both. Little, but at least SOME exertion. But a high level of skill. 

I can't think of a sport that has only one, but not the other. Every sport that I can think of requires at least SOME physical exertion and usually a lot of physical skill. I can however think of a lot of games that don't have both. Some games have physical exertion, and some even have physical skill (like Operation). Games usually have low physical exertion and low physical skill. Sometimes, like chess, one of the two is completely absent. 

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Right..

The point you're missing is that for an activity to be deemed a sport it needs to have a considerable amount of BOTH. 

 

 

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a sports a physical exerisce that exersices  your muscles and your brain is a mucs,e you exercise when you play chess

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Nennerb wrote:

Whether chess is a sport depends on the definition you use. The definition of sports (that I agree with the most) is an activity that tests your physical limits. This would include activities such as track, swimming, cross country, and cycling. Additionally, the sport should focus on improving one's physical abilities rather than a rigid system of rules. For example, soccer may test one's physical abilities, but the activity itself is based on a rulebook. Furthermore, it's important to make a distinction between sports and games. If you "play" something, it shouldn't be considered a sport-- it is an activity for recreational purposes rather than improving the body.

Of course, this is not a mainstream opinion. Going under Oxford's definition of sports as "an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment," chess can be a sport if you try playing human-sized bullet chess. You get the physical exertion from people running around to move pieces, and the presence of skill is evident.

Yes. That's all it would take for something chess related to become a sport. Chess boxing, life sized pieces, and of course speed chess. These aren't traditional chess, but since the physical skill part is added, it could then become a sport. Speed chess to me seems to be the best example. It's all about speed, reflexes, accuracy, all of which are physical skills. There is no way to successfully proxy your moves in speed chess.

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MaxVelocity1 wrote:

a sports a physical exerisce that exersices  your muscles and your brain is a mucs,e you exercise when you play chess

I guess reading is also a sport then, by that logic.

 

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okay i get your oponion but most people would agree your brain is a muscle you use when you play chess against an opposing person 

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and soniasthethesics i agree completely with you reading is a sport i love reading

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but.. The brains an organ..

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Soniasthetics wrote:

Right..

The point you're missing is that for an activity to be deemed a sport it needs to have a considerable amount of BOTH. 

 

 

I'm not sure the dictionary says that. I don't think it says "considerable". Some sports rely on the exertion part, but not so much on the skill part. Others are the opposite. High level of skill, but little exertion. How do you determine the threshold for each? I would say it's enough to simply say a sport requires at least some of each. 

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your right my mistake but its also true you can exersice you brain like a muscle

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MaxVelocity1 wrote:

okay i get your oponion but most people would agree your brain is a muscle you use when you play chess against an opposing person 

Hmmm. I don't know. It's possible most people would agree a brain is a muscle. I certainly hope they wouldn't, but I guess it's possible.