No, it isn't meant to be offensive, but if women are going to be little snowflakes about it then the discussion shouldn't be brought up
Snowflakes = people that start whining anytime their privileges are threatened. Now who does that sound like?
Most people use snowflakes in the context of people whining about insignificant non-issues.
No excuse for the world today.
Things are different today, have been for 50 years now and women still need special treatment.
You seem to mistake conditions in many westernized democracies for "the world". Visit Afghanistan, or Japan, or Nigeria, or most of the world and see how far women's rights. Or just go to the park and check out toe ratio of men and women who are caring for children, still seen as a woman's responsibility.
You seem to mistake 2023 for 1823, and apply things like modern medicine, industry, welfare state, etc etc to that time period to come up with a view that women were being purposely held back (by the nefarious moustache-twirling patriarchy), therefore justifying titles based on some type of perceived victimhood rather than competency - likely to try and meet some equality ideal.
And whether it's even beneficial, questionable. Lower bars being set tend to just make for lower performance.
"education" in the last 2 decades is more like "indoctrination" for many modern disciplines, especially the faculties of education, and the humanities, your claim, that i have seen before, i think the lion's share of propaganda of that ilk was based on the pew research data, which if you look at, its not being portrayed honestly. It's facile to make the argument that this is precisely It, indoctrination, by leftist academics. who outnumber conservatives in academia by a wide margin, and why is that? Because of the toxic atmosphere leftists create everywhere for people with contrarian views. But my point was about Intelligence and critical thinking ability, "Education" does not guarantee a person possesses those qualities, and the converse is also true.
Ummm...no.
The indoctrination narrative is just fluff you've been fed on your steady diet of opinion shows and fringe blogs/articles, etc. disguised as news. Education is the only reasonable/measurable indicator, and on average, it holds up.
As I said, you don't have to believe me...the world will sweep you along with it anyway.
No, it isn't meant to be offensive, but if women are going to be little snowflakes about it then the discussion shouldn't be brought up
Snowflakes = people that start whining anytime their privileges are threatened. Now who does that sound like?
Most people use snowflakes in the context of people whining about insignificant non-issues.
Like defending Hans Niemann's right to cheat and yet not be characterized as a cheater? 
SnowflakeKing1 it is, then.
"education" in the last 2 decades is more like "indoctrination" for many modern disciplines, especially the faculties of education, and the humanities, your claim, that i have seen before, i think the lion's share of propaganda of that ilk was based on the pew research data, which if you look at, its not being portrayed honestly. It's facile to make the argument that this is precisely It, indoctrination, by leftist academics. who outnumber conservatives in academia by a wide margin, and why is that? Because of the toxic atmosphere leftists create everywhere for people with contrarian views. But my point was about Intelligence and critical thinking ability, "Education" does not guarantee a person possesses those qualities, and the converse is also true.
Ummm...no.
The indoctrination narrative is just fluff you've been fed on your steady diet of opinion shows and fringe blogs/articles, etc. disguised as news. Education is the only reasonable/measurable indicator, and on average, it holds up.
As I said, you don't have to believe me...the world will sweep you along with it anyway.
High school and undergraduate college definitely have courses that are agenda-based.
I remember my high school class was a writing class, except it never taught you how to write a paper and only focused on stereotypes, prejudices, etc.
And that was forever ago. Way before most of this newer stuff came to be.
That meant when I got to college, I literally had to teach myself how to actually write a paper in the correct organizational pattern - all of which should have been taught in that class instead of agenda-based ideals.
You seem to mistake 2023 for 1823, and apply things like modern medicine, industry, welfare state, etc etc to that time period to come up with a view that women were being purposely held back (by the nefarious moustache-twirling patriarchy), therefore justifying titles based on some type of perceived victimhood rather than competency - likely to try and meet some equality ideal.
And whether it's even beneficial, questionable. Lower bars being set tend to just make for lower performance.
Lol, you'd have been a lot better off trying this sad attempt using 1923, not 1823...at least women could vote at that point.
High school and undergraduate college definitely have courses that are agenda-based.
I remember my high school class was a writing class, except it never taught you how to write a paper and only focused on stereotypes, prejudices, etc.
And that was forever ago. Way before most of this newer stuff came to be.
That meant when I got to college, I literally had to teach myself how to actually write a paper in the correct organizational pattern - all of which should have been taught in that class instead of agenda-based ideals.
I don't accept anecdotal evidence from people that try to claim anecdotally that women doctors make as much as men and there is no pay gap . You don't seem able to operate on a level past your own interests.
"education" in the last 2 decades is more like "indoctrination" for many modern disciplines, especially the faculties of education, and the humanities, your claim, that i have seen before, i think the lion's share of propaganda of that ilk was based on the pew research data, which if you look at, its not being portrayed honestly. It's facile to make the argument that this is precisely It, indoctrination, by leftist academics. who outnumber conservatives in academia by a wide margin, and why is that? Because of the toxic atmosphere leftists create everywhere for people with contrarian views. But my point was about Intelligence and critical thinking ability, "Education" does not guarantee a person possesses those qualities, and the converse is also true.
Ummm...no.
The indoctrination narrative is just fluff you've been fed on your steady diet of opinion shows and fringe blogs/articles, etc. disguised as news. Education is the only reasonable/measurable indicator, and on average, it holds up.
As I said, you don't have to believe me...the world will sweep you along with it anyway.
High school and undergraduate college definitely have courses that are agenda-based.
I remember my high school class was a writing class, except it never taught you how to write a paper and only focused on stereotypes, prejudices, etc.
And that was forever ago. Way before most of this newer stuff came to be.
That meant when I got to college, I literally had to teach myself how to actually write a paper in the correct organizational pattern - all of which should have been taught in that class instead of agenda-based ideals.
I don't accept anecdotal evidence from people that try to claim anecdotally that women doctors make as much as men and there is no pay gap . You don't seem able to operate on a level past your own interests.
My female physician colleagues don't make less than my male physician colleagues.
As someone already told you, that's illegal as hell.
It's not just anecdotal, it's a statistic. Women literally get paid equal to a man in the United States, and it's illegal not to.
My female physician colleagues don't make less than my male physician colleagues.
As someone already told you, that's illegal as hell.
It's not just anecdotal, it's a statistic. Women literally get paid equal to a man in the United States, and it's illegal not to.
No, I already posted the statistics. On average, a male doctor in the US will earn $2 million dollars more by retirement than a female doctor. You just ignored that link because you cannot logically defend it.
All the boys' club members should probably just pack it in. I outlasted dozens of posters on the "Who's the sexiest woman chessplayer?" thread until it finally got closed after years and years, and I will outlast you all without even breaking a sweat. It's not even a fair competition for your end of things. You've got no ammo, and are just setting yourselves up for a lot of frustration.
Now you will all prove my point by feeling insecure in your manhood and doubling down on your non-arguments ...
Can't tell if he's serious or not.
You seem to mistake 2023 for 1823, and apply things like modern medicine, industry, welfare state, etc etc to that time period to come up with a view that women were being purposely held back (by the nefarious moustache-twirling patriarchy), therefore justifying titles based on some type of perceived victimhood rather than competency - likely to try and meet some equality ideal.
And whether it's even beneficial, questionable. Lower bars being set tend to just make for lower performance.
Lol, you'd have been a lot better off trying this sad attempt using 1923, not 1823...at least women could vote at that point.
Men couldn't vote in 1823.
*and telling me that 1% could is reaching even by your standard.
The gender pay gap is 3 different things :
- Because of societal structures, women work more part time so work less paid job overall (raising children is unpaid work)
- For the same amount of hours worked, women get paid less because they still face discriminations when it comes to going up the ladder
- For the same hours worked, same job, women still get paid less. This one is the "pure" gender discrimination and yes it's illegal, that obviously does not make it non existent. Making something illegal doesn't change things if you don't actually enforce it.
Repeating nonsense doesn't make it any more right the 10th, 11th, 12th time you do it.
It's science. It's official government numbers from Europe. I know your masculinist lot doesn't like science and truth and live in an imaginary world where you are the victims.
You seem to mistake 2023 for 1823, and apply things like modern medicine, industry, welfare state, etc etc to that time period to come up with a view that women were being purposely held back (by the nefarious moustache-twirling patriarchy), therefore justifying titles based on some type of perceived victimhood rather than competency - likely to try and meet some equality ideal.
And whether it's even beneficial, questionable. Lower bars being set tend to just make for lower performance.
In 1851, the year of the first international chess tournament, women who showed even a little bit of their legs in public were considered immoral. Women were not allowed to vote anywhere in the "enlightened" Western world. Husbands and/or fathers had the right to manage and dispose of women's property in most jurisdictions. Wife-beating was not a criminal offense, and husbands had the right to conjugal relations on demand. Women could not become doctors, engineers, architects, university professors (and in most cases not even college students), licensed ships' captains, or virtually any other prestigious position.
This state of affairs persisted for a long time, and even once barriers began to break down it was a long and rocky process to even recognized equality. If you think equal treatment is universal today you are woefully misinformed--even if laws say one thing, people's behavior often doesn't match that standard.
Separate women's titles were created under those conditions. If you think things are better today everywhere in the world that FIDE operates perhaps you can persuade the Taliban or Prince Mohammed bin Salman to let women play in chess tournaments vs men.
The past hangs like a great weight on our shoulders, still forming many people's opinions and influencing their actions. If you have paid much attention to these forums since joining chess.com you will have seen quite a few where women chess players--even from England--have complained about being made to feel unwelcome and uncomfortable at chess clubs and tournaments. (Probably the adolescent boys who have one thing on their minds when interacting with girls.)
Nothing prevents women from receiving GM or IM titles, and most strong female players prefer that. Recognizing achievement by those faced with more restrictive circumstances is still OK.
"education" in the last 2 decades is more like "indoctrination" for many modern disciplines, especially the faculties of education, and the humanities, your claim, that i have seen before, i think the lion's share of propaganda of that ilk was based on the pew research data, which if you look at, its not being portrayed honestly. It's facile to make the argument that this is precisely It, indoctrination, by leftist academics. who outnumber conservatives in academia by a wide margin, and why is that? Because of the toxic atmosphere leftists create everywhere for people with contrarian views. But my point was about Intelligence and critical thinking ability, "Education" does not guarantee a person possesses those qualities, and the converse is also true.
Ummm...no.
The indoctrination narrative is just fluff you've been fed on your steady diet of opinion shows and fringe blogs/articles, etc. disguised as news. Education is the only reasonable/measurable indicator, and on average, it holds up.
As I said, you don't have to believe me...the world will sweep you along with it anyway.
High school and undergraduate college definitely have courses that are agenda-based.
I remember my high school class was a writing class, except it never taught you how to write a paper and only focused on stereotypes, prejudices, etc.
And that was forever ago. Way before most of this newer stuff came to be.
That meant when I got to college, I literally had to teach myself how to actually write a paper in the correct organizational pattern - all of which should have been taught in that class instead of agenda-based ideals.
I don't accept anecdotal evidence from people that try to claim anecdotally that women doctors make as much as men and there is no pay gap . You don't seem able to operate on a level past your own interests.
My female physician colleagues don't make less than my male physician colleagues.
As someone already told you, that's illegal as hell.
It's not just anecdotal, it's a statistic. Women literally get paid equal to a man in the United States, and it's illegal not to.
Killing is illegal, guess what violent men still kill their spouse at an alarming rate.
You guys have no argument, just make believe opinions. You have no idea what's happening in the real world because you refuse to listen to the people who have actually studied the question and published serious work in scientific journals and advise policy-makers.
My female physician colleagues don't make less than my male physician colleagues.
As someone already told you, that's illegal as hell.
It's not just anecdotal, it's a statistic. Women literally get paid equal to a man in the United States, and it's illegal not to.
No, I already posted the statistics. On average, a male doctor in the US will earn $2 million dollars more by retirement than a female doctor. You just ignored that link because you cannot logically defend it.
Please copy paste the article (I am not paying NYT just to disprove a strangers argument) but I am reiterating that it is ILLEGAL to pay women less because of their gender FOR 60 YEARS
"education" in the last 2 decades is more like "indoctrination" for many modern disciplines, especially the faculties of education, and the humanities, your claim, that i have seen before, i think the lion's share of propaganda of that ilk was based on the pew research data, which if you look at, its not being portrayed honestly. It's facile to make the argument that this is precisely It, indoctrination, by leftist academics. who outnumber conservatives in academia by a wide margin, and why is that? Because of the toxic atmosphere leftists create everywhere for people with contrarian views. But my point was about Intelligence and critical thinking ability, "Education" does not guarantee a person possesses those qualities, and the converse is also true.
Ummm...no.
The indoctrination narrative is just fluff you've been fed on your steady diet of opinion shows and fringe blogs/articles, etc. disguised as news. Education is the only reasonable/measurable indicator, and on average, it holds up.
As I said, you don't have to believe me...the world will sweep you along with it anyway.
High school and undergraduate college definitely have courses that are agenda-based.
I remember my high school class was a writing class, except it never taught you how to write a paper and only focused on stereotypes, prejudices, etc.
And that was forever ago. Way before most of this newer stuff came to be.
That meant when I got to college, I literally had to teach myself how to actually write a paper in the correct organizational pattern - all of which should have been taught in that class instead of agenda-based ideals.
I don't accept anecdotal evidence from people that try to claim anecdotally that women doctors make as much as men and there is no pay gap . You don't seem able to operate on a level past your own interests.
My female physician colleagues don't make less than my male physician colleagues.
As someone already told you, that's illegal as hell.
It's not just anecdotal, it's a statistic. Women literally get paid equal to a man in the United States, and it's illegal not to.
Killing is illegal, guess what violent men still kill their spouse at an alarming rate.
You guys have no argument, just make believe opinions. You have no idea what's happening in the real world because you refuse to listen to the people who have actually studied the question and published serious work in scientific journals and advise policy-makers.
This is a bad argument. People who kill get arrested and go to prison or are executed. You think people can just mistreat workers based on their gender without repercussions. Also most of these charts that show how women don’t get payed fairly have absolutely no nuance
Men couldn't vote in 1823.
*and telling me that 1% could is reaching even by your standard.
In the UK, maybe...you've always been a bit more behind the times than you let on .
You seem to mistake 2023 for 1823, and apply things like modern medicine, industry, welfare state, etc etc to that time period to come up with a view that women were being purposely held back (by the nefarious moustache-twirling patriarchy), therefore justifying titles based on some type of perceived victimhood rather than competency - likely to try and meet some equality ideal.
And whether it's even beneficial, questionable. Lower bars being set tend to just make for lower performance.
In 1851, the year of the first international chess tournament, women who showed even a little bit of their legs in public were considered immoral. Women were not allowed to vote anywhere in the "enlightened" Western world. Husbands and/or fathers had the right to manage and dispose of women's property in most jurisdictions. Wife-beating was not a criminal offense, and husbands had the right to conjugal relations on demand. Women could not become doctors, engineers, architects, university professors (and in most cases not even college students), licensed ships' captains, or virtually any other prestigious position.
This state of affairs persisted for a long time, and even once barriers began to break down it was a long and rocky process to even recognized equality. If you think equal treatment is universal today you are woefully misinformed--even if laws say one thing, people's behavior often doesn't match that standard.
Separate women's titles were created under those conditions. If you think things are better today everywhere in the world that FIDE operates perhaps you can persuade the Taliban or Prince Mohammed bin Salman to let women play in chess tournaments vs men.
The past hangs like a great weight on our shoulders, still forming many people's opinions and influencing their actions. If you have paid much attention to these forums since joining chess.com you will have seen quite a few where women chess players--even from England--have complained about being made to feel unwelcome and uncomfortable at chess clubs and tournaments. (Probably the adolescent boys who have one thing on their minds when interacting with girls.)
Nothing prevents women from receiving GM or IM titles, and most strong female players prefer that. Recognizing achievement by those faced with more restrictive circumstances is still OK.
Didn't address any of the points I raised, raised a few of your own and then expect me to address those.
You raise education as an example, when we've had pretty much the same thing (tests being changed), in order to reach this same equality ideal.
Stating truth is toxic?