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Is Chess anything more than memorization?
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Mar 8, 2020
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#165
If you study thousands of Master's games, it may look you neither understand or memorize a lot. But your Instincts and Intuition in finding good moves are strong.
Mar 8, 2020
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#166
Conflagration_Planet escribió:
Computers can indeed beat humans at chess, but it's rapid calculation instead of memorization.
They do need considerable amounts of RAM to work properly.
Mar 8, 2020
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#167
congrandolor escribió:
Remember when Karpov lost to a Moscow taxi driver in 30 moves. "How did you do that?", asked the champion. "Easy, I was told the goal of the game was capture the tallest piece, I just do that"
Hmmm, sounds fishy.
Mar 8, 2020
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#169
GoGophers escribió:
SeniorPatzer wrote:
Mensa IQ and only a 700 rated player?
Ai - yi - yi.
I think it proves my point. There's a good chance that I have had more natural intelligence than the people who have beaten me and caused my score to get so low, yet they beat me with techniques memorized from playing and watching youtube. Is that not the exact point I was trying to make?
You need both memory and skill (for example, in spotting tactics, calculating and being aware of the whole board). At your level you need more tactical skills, when you "exhaust" that, you then proceed to memorize openings, very specific traps and tactics and so on.
Mar 8, 2020
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#170
GoGophers escribió:
I'll agree with the "learning how not to lose" part. I'm being matched against people now who are in the 700's and they rarely make the same mistakes the people in the 600's do, and it's much tougher for me, so as soon as I get into the 700's, I go back down to the 600's. Which is depressing. Why? Because as soon as I learn how to deal with these people, I'll get matched against people with an 800 rating and I'll start losing all over again.
There's just too many pieces to deal with.
There isn't that much of a difference in 100 elo points.
Chess is not just about memorization, it is about understanding, thinking, and planning. It is important to know typical patterns, games, and positions. However, it is equally important to have a structured thought process to apply this knowledge in chess positions.
One such process is described here - https://www.chess.com/blog/nikaashpuriwh/data-driven-thinking-applying-the-chicago-approach-to-chess
Mar 9, 2020
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#172
Thanks guys, I realize I was wrong to think that way. I think the quote above from kaukasar from GM Yasser Seirawan hits the nail on the head.
chess is not about memory.
in my most recent game, I entred a position that has never been reached in online chess ! meaning I was there on my own.
I jumped from 200 elo to 780elo with the scandanavian defense for black I only know the first 4 moves, and queen's gambit for white only know the first 4 moves. so you can see how chess isn't all about memory
Apr 2, 2023
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#174
There's lots of moments you will have to figure everything out on your own. In that case you can compare it to a math problem. Having solved similar problems is helpful, but you will have to think on your own anyway
Remember when Alekhine played vs a hustler in a park and was mated after 25 moves. -"This is impossible, I can calculate ten moves in advance", said the world champion, -"How many are you able to?" -"Only one", said the hustler, -"but is always the best"
That was Reti that said that.
Nah, Capablanca.