Is chess racist?

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FlowerFlowers
PhilipN wrote:

I've heard that a drawing of lots (or something to that effect) used to determine who went first, and the player who didn't get to go first had the privilege of choosing his color as compensation.  It is said that the black pieces were considered "lucky" (a superstition that my brother reinvented without prior knowledge of the original--he still sticks by it), so of course the player who got to choose his color would generally choose Black.  This became so commonplace that it is now part of the rules.


that sounds cool, and possibly logical, I never knew black was considered lucky.

(I like playing black, I'm not sure why)

ModernCalvin

I don't know if anyone pointed this out, but in the game of Go, Black always goes first. Does that mean Go is promoting reverse racism?

Does it do an effective job of combating racism in that Black pays White reparations for the ability to always go first?

FlowerFlowers
bobbyDK wrote:

it would be a shame if suddenly we have to change the change pieces to blue and red because someone did put something wrong into the chess.

it may be a stupid question but if the question is out there we risk one day that the color of the pieces change.

therefore It's important to answer him in a way he can understand that chess isn't rascist. I think the chess community well come players of all nations white or black.


I have a wooden board with light and dark wood pieces with gold trim, and the squares to match the light and dark wood.

odiseas

This is only a laughing question.

Jollymann
FlowerFlowers wrote:

I have a wooden board with light and dark wood pieces with gold trim, and the squares to match the light and dark wood.


I have that too. Just not as nice as yours.  Wood with brown with light squares, light and dark brown chessmen.  It's good in that I can take it on my lap without a table and play out some moves.  Now I suppose the brown people of the world can get upset with the game.  Probably not.  Probably a higher degree of sense filters in at some point than the original poster's friends seem to show.

D.J.

Loomis
ModernCalvin wrote:

I don't know if anyone pointed this out, but in the game of Go, Black always goes first.


It was pointed out in post #12 and re-emphasized in post #16. Thanks for playing.

trysts

Black goes first in "Go". Has anyone brought that up? I don't have time to check. That's the reason for this.

rkrules
henri5 wrote:
Anoia wrote:

I'm never going to play chess again!

I just realized that, in addition to it being racist and sexist, it discriminates against non-Catholics! I mean, come on... "bishops?"

On that note, what is that bishop doing to that young pawn?


Actually historically the Bishop is supposed to be an elephant, but at some time in Western chess, the tusks were mistaken for a Bishop's mitre and the name stuck. That is why some  figurative chess pieces have elephants instead of bishops.


Actually in some parts, we referred to rooks as elephants, knights(horses), bishops as camels.

rkrules
ultimifier wrote:

chess was invented in china. so i doubt they were being racist, they are just the two most common shades of marble, the substance that pieces were most likely originally made of...

 

some people


China is different from India. Only one part of Asia is called China.

mottsauce

warning: do not feed the trolls.

Apoapsis
maxson924 wrote:

"No guy would play with pink pieces"

I would totally play with pink pieces. :D


 Let's see if someone can set that up. Regular pink and hot pink will be the colors. You must show up wearing all pink covered in pink reflectors. Add pink accessories, like a watch, shades, etc. It's on.

SchuBomb

You need to ask your friends that if they honestly think an abstract strategy game which uses colours of white and black (not fleshy pink and brown) on symbols that don't even look like people gives real life signifigance to racism, then their minds are clearly on that track constantly, and they are the racist ones.

boredinhb

yea how come white always goes first? definatly racist

ModernCalvin
Loomis wrote:
ModernCalvin wrote:

I don't know if anyone pointed this out, but in the game of Go, Black always goes first.


It was pointed out in post #12 and re-emphasized in post #16. Thanks for playing.


Yeah that's why I prefaced my statement with a sentiment of uncertainty. And as for the real point, no one mentioned reverse racism.

theblindtiger

Chess is not racist. The colors of the pieces have nothing to do with people at all. The colors are there to tell the difference between the two teams. Black and white are more formal colors and that's why chess uses them. I can't imagine playing a chess game with blue vs. pink!

theblindtiger
slavesRus01 wrote:

The question is relative, someone else might say...Is chess sexist?

Cos its always the king that is protected.


 Or the queen with all the power!

TheGrobe
ModernCalvin wrote:
Loomis wrote:
ModernCalvin wrote:

I don't know if anyone pointed this out, but in the game of Go, Black always goes first.


It was pointed out in post #12 and re-emphasized in post #16. Thanks for playing.


Yeah that's why I prefaced my statement with a sentiment of uncertainty. And as for the real point, no one mentioned reverse racism.


The whole concept of "reverse racism" is odd.  Racism is racism -- end of story. 

simpledimple
musiclife wrote:

Um...just put the black pieces aligned like the white pieces are (king on the right) and play away.  Then say chess is actually a reverse-racism driven society.


 or just take it as history. people in colder climates move just to keep warm. thus the tempo was born.

Loomis
ModernCalvin wrote:
Loomis wrote:
ModernCalvin wrote:

I don't know if anyone pointed this out, but in the game of Go, Black always goes first.


It was pointed out in post #12 and re-emphasized in post #16. Thanks for playing.


Yeah that's why I prefaced my statement with a sentiment of uncertainty. And as for the real point, no one mentioned reverse racism.


And I was nice enough to clarify your uncertainty. But really, let's stop patting each other on the back, you're welcome already.

Archaic71

/me rolls eyes . . .

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