Is Hikaru Nakamura The Greatest Player On Earth? - Chess Forums - Page 2

Kotshmot

Jul 17, 2022

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Steven-ODonoghue wrote:

I don't think there is even a single time control in which Hikaru could be argued as the strongest player in the world.

Bullet and blitz are both arguable. 5 speed chess championships in a row is pretty convincing and I dont think any other player in the world could do it.

Magnus beats Nakamura most of the time 1vs1 as its pretty clear that the guy feels some inferiority complex playing Magnus. This is why it's hard to tell who is objectively better and leaves room for arguments for both players. Against the field which is a bigger sample size anyway, Nakamura has done very well being the top rated player a couople of times.

Nakamura is missing the world championship titles, but again I wouldnt put too much weight into one competition but overall performance.

Kotshmot

Jul 17, 2022

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#22

pfren wrote:

Kotshmot wrote:

Steven-ODonoghue wrote:

I don't think there is even a single time control in which Hikaru could be argued as the strongest player in the world.

Bullet and blitz are both arguable. 5 speed chess championships in a row is pretty convincing and I dont think any other player in the world could do it.

Magnus beats Nakamura most of the time 1vs1 as its pretty clear that the guy feels some inferiority complex playing Magnus. This is why it's hard to tell who is objectively better and leaves room for arguments for both players. Against the field which is a bigger sample size anyway, Nakamura has done very well being the top rated player a couople of times.

Nakamura is missing the world championship titles, but again I wouldnt put too much weight into one competition but overall performance.

How many times Naka won the World Blitz Championship?

Why do you ask what I already answered in the post?

llama36

Jul 17, 2022

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#23

Kotshmot wrote:

pfren wrote:

Kotshmot wrote:

Steven-ODonoghue wrote:

I don't think there is even a single time control in which Hikaru could be argued as the strongest player in the world.

Bullet and blitz are both arguable. 5 speed chess championships in a row is pretty convincing and I dont think any other player in the world could do it.

Magnus beats Nakamura most of the time 1vs1 as its pretty clear that the guy feels some inferiority complex playing Magnus. This is why it's hard to tell who is objectively better and leaves room for arguments for both players. Against the field which is a bigger sample size anyway, Nakamura has done very well being the top rated player a couople of times.

Nakamura is missing the world championship titles, but again I wouldnt put too much weight into one competition but overall performance.

How many times Naka won the World Blitz Championship?

Why do you ask what I already answered in the post?

lol, typical online kid crap. They think chess.com's speed championship is the actual world blitz championship.

Naka is an online player and streamer. He's not the best player in the world kids. Just... ffs...

llama36

Jul 17, 2022

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#24

Kotshmot wrote:

Magnus beats Nakamura most of the time 1vs1

1 vs 1 is the only way to play chess...

Kotshmot wrote:

Magnus beats Nakamura most of the time 1vs1 as its pretty clear that the guy feels some inferiority complex playing Magnus. This is why it's hard to tell who is objectively better

Nakamura loses against Carlsen and this is the reason it's hard to tell who is objectively better?

Carlsen has been rated over 2800 every day since he was 18 years old.
Naka accidentally broke 2800 once, at age 27, then immediatly went back down to 2700 where he's stayed.

Carlsen has been the #1 rated player in the world, every day, for the last 10 years.
Nakamura has spent 99% of his career rated 6 to 10.

There is no comparison. Everyone knows Carlsen is better. To say it's hard to tell means you're a ridiculous Naka fanboy who doesn't know anything about chess...

Kotshmot

Jul 17, 2022

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#25

nMsALpg wrote:

Kotshmot wrote:

pfren wrote:

Kotshmot wrote:

Steven-ODonoghue wrote:

I don't think there is even a single time control in which Hikaru could be argued as the strongest player in the world.

Bullet and blitz are both arguable. 5 speed chess championships in a row is pretty convincing and I dont think any other player in the world could do it.

Magnus beats Nakamura most of the time 1vs1 as its pretty clear that the guy feels some inferiority complex playing Magnus. This is why it's hard to tell who is objectively better and leaves room for arguments for both players. Against the field which is a bigger sample size anyway, Nakamura has done very well being the top rated player a couople of times.

Nakamura is missing the world championship titles, but again I wouldnt put too much weight into one competition but overall performance.

How many times Naka won the World Blitz Championship?

Why do you ask what I already answered in the post?

lol, typical online kid crap. They think chess.com's speed championship is the actual world blitz championship.

Naka is an online player and streamer. He's not the best player in the world kids. Just... ffs...

"Online kid crap"

Brother youre not past puberty mentally

llama36

Jul 17, 2022

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#26

Kotshmot wrote:

Brother youre not past puberty mentally

Faced with the idea that others think you're a child, you turn your embarrassment outwards, and accuse me of being the thing I forced you to imagine yourself as.

Kotshmot

Jul 17, 2022

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#27

nMsALpg wrote:

Kotshmot wrote:

Magnus beats Nakamura most of the time 1vs1

1 vs 1 is the only way to play chess...

Kotshmot wrote:

Magnus beats Nakamura most of the time 1vs1 as its pretty clear that the guy feels some inferiority complex playing Magnus. This is why it's hard to tell who is objectively better

Nakamura loses against Carlsen and this is the reason it's hard to tell who is objectively better?

Carlsen has been rated over 2800 every day since he was 18 years old.
Naka accidentally broke 2800 once, at age 27, then immediatly went back down to 2700 where he's stayed.

Carlsen has been the #1 rated player in the world, every day, for the last 10 years.
Nakamura has spent 99% of his career rated 6 to 10.

There is no comparison. Everyone knows Carlsen is better. To say it's hard to tell means you're a ridiculous Naka fanboy who doesn't know anything about chess...

The only player I would consider myself a fan of at the top level is Rapport, I give credit where credit is due. Why are you talking about classical, we all know Magnus is levels and levels ahead of everyone in classical and hence I was only talking about blitz and bullet.

Kotshmot

Jul 17, 2022

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#28

nMsALpg wrote:

Kotshmot wrote:

Brother youre not past puberty mentally

Faced with the idea that others think you're a child, you turn your embarrassment outwards, and accuse me of being the thing I forced you to imagine yourself as.

Wrong, I was referring to the childish language and arguments you use.

llama36

Jul 17, 2022

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#29

Kotshmot wrote:

nMsALpg wrote:

Kotshmot wrote:

Magnus beats Nakamura most of the time 1vs1

1 vs 1 is the only way to play chess...

Kotshmot wrote:

Magnus beats Nakamura most of the time 1vs1 as its pretty clear that the guy feels some inferiority complex playing Magnus. This is why it's hard to tell who is objectively better

Nakamura loses against Carlsen and this is the reason it's hard to tell who is objectively better?

Carlsen has been rated over 2800 every day since he was 18 years old.
Naka accidentally broke 2800 once, at age 27, then immediatly went back down to 2700 where he's stayed.

Carlsen has been the #1 rated player in the world, every day, for the last 10 years.
Nakamura has spent 99% of his career rated 6 to 10.

There is no comparison. Everyone knows Carlsen is better. To say it's hard to tell means you're a ridiculous Naka fanboy who doesn't know anything about chess...

The only player I would consider myself a fan of at the top level is Rapport, I give credit where credit is due. Why are you talking about classical, we all know Magnus is levels and levels ahead of everyone in classical and hence I was only talking about blitz and bullet.

Not everyone competes in chess.com's speed chess championship. I think the prize is... a few hundred USD. Yes Naka is an impressive speed player, but for example, Carlsen has won the world blitz championship (if I'm counting correctly) 5 times. Naka has won zero times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Blitz_Chess_Championship

CaseyViator

Jul 17, 2022

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#30

He is one top 5 at the moment, but he never was number 1.

For personal training contact me

llama36

Jul 17, 2022

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#31

Kotshmot wrote:

nMsALpg wrote:

Kotshmot wrote:

Brother youre not past puberty mentally

Faced with the idea that others think you're a child, you turn your embarrassment outwards, and accuse me of being the thing I forced you to imagine yourself as.

Wrong, I was referring to the childish language and arguments you use.

You'll have to forgive me. The only chess education I've had is from Twitch and YouTube. This is why I think "Hikaru" is the best player in the world, and that the only reason he loses to Carlsen is psychological, and that in reality, Hikaru is the best. I think this is why my language and arguments seem childish to you, since this is the level of knowledge and arguments that most children on these forums display.

Kotshmot

Jul 17, 2022

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#32

nMsALpg wrote:

Kotshmot wrote:

nMsALpg wrote:

Kotshmot wrote:

Magnus beats Nakamura most of the time 1vs1

1 vs 1 is the only way to play chess...

Kotshmot wrote:

Magnus beats Nakamura most of the time 1vs1 as its pretty clear that the guy feels some inferiority complex playing Magnus. This is why it's hard to tell who is objectively better

Nakamura loses against Carlsen and this is the reason it's hard to tell who is objectively better?

Carlsen has been rated over 2800 every day since he was 18 years old.
Naka accidentally broke 2800 once, at age 27, then immediatly went back down to 2700 where he's stayed.

Carlsen has been the #1 rated player in the world, every day, for the last 10 years.
Nakamura has spent 99% of his career rated 6 to 10.

There is no comparison. Everyone knows Carlsen is better. To say it's hard to tell means you're a ridiculous Naka fanboy who doesn't know anything about chess...

The only player I would consider myself a fan of at the top level is Rapport, I give credit where credit is due. Why are you talking about classical, we all know Magnus is levels and levels ahead of everyone in classical and hence I was only talking about blitz and bullet.

Not everyone competes in chess.com's speed chess championship. I think the prize is... a few hundred USD. Yes Naka is an impressive speed player, but for example, Carlsen has won the world blitz championship (if I'm counting correctly) 5 times. Naka has won zero times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Blitz_Chess_Championship

I counted 4 and that is very impressive and a big argument.

Prize for the chess.com speed chess thing must be atleast ~20k and the best speed chess players in the world do participate. Magnus hasnt participated every year obviously, but last time he did, he didnt get in the finals. Players do take the competition seriously which is why winning it 5 times in a row is one of the best feats of speed chess anyone has shown.

Kotshmot

Jul 17, 2022

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#33

nMsALpg wrote:

Kotshmot wrote:

nMsALpg wrote:

Kotshmot wrote:

Brother youre not past puberty mentally

Faced with the idea that others think you're a child, you turn your embarrassment outwards, and accuse me of being the thing I forced you to imagine yourself as.

Wrong, I was referring to the childish language and arguments you use.

You'll have to forgive me. The only chess education I've had is from Twitch and YouTube. This is why I think "Hikaru" is the best player in the world, and that the only reason he loses to Carlsen is psychological, and that in reality, Hikaru is the best. I think this is why my language and arguments seem childish to you, since this is the level of knowledge and arguments that most children on these forums display.

All I said is I put more weight into performance against the field than 1vs1 stats. Also I did not say Hikaru is the best, I said arguments can be made for both players. Your hate is blinding your objectivity.

Also do you consider Abdusattorov a better rapid player than Nakamura after winning the rapid World championship?

llama36

Jul 17, 2022

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#34

Kotshmot wrote:

nMsALpg wrote:

Kotshmot wrote:

nMsALpg wrote:

Kotshmot wrote:

Magnus beats Nakamura most of the time 1vs1

1 vs 1 is the only way to play chess...

Kotshmot wrote:

Magnus beats Nakamura most of the time 1vs1 as its pretty clear that the guy feels some inferiority complex playing Magnus. This is why it's hard to tell who is objectively better

Nakamura loses against Carlsen and this is the reason it's hard to tell who is objectively better?

Carlsen has been rated over 2800 every day since he was 18 years old.
Naka accidentally broke 2800 once, at age 27, then immediatly went back down to 2700 where he's stayed.

Carlsen has been the #1 rated player in the world, every day, for the last 10 years.
Nakamura has spent 99% of his career rated 6 to 10.

There is no comparison. Everyone knows Carlsen is better. To say it's hard to tell means you're a ridiculous Naka fanboy who doesn't know anything about chess...

The only player I would consider myself a fan of at the top level is Rapport, I give credit where credit is due. Why are you talking about classical, we all know Magnus is levels and levels ahead of everyone in classical and hence I was only talking about blitz and bullet.

Not everyone competes in chess.com's speed chess championship. I think the prize is... a few hundred USD. Yes Naka is an impressive speed player, but for example, Carlsen has won the world blitz championship (if I'm counting correctly) 5 times. Naka has won zero times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Blitz_Chess_Championship

I counted 4 and that is very impressive and a big argument.

Prize for the chess.com speed chess thing must be atleast ~20k and the best speed chess players in the world do participate. Magnus hasnt participated every year obviously, but last time he did, he didnt get in the finals. Players do take the competition seriously which is why winning it 5 times in a row is one of the best feats of speed chess anyone has shown.

Oops, I think you're right. "A few hundred USD" is the Titled Tuesday tournament (and maybe these days it's even more prize money, I don't know).

In the FIDE championship Carlsen won in 2009, 2014, 2017, 2018, 2019 for a total of 5.

Nakamura got 2nd place once, and 3rd place twice.

In 2017 Carlsen beat Naka 18 to 9 in the chess.com speed chess championship

https://www.chess.com/news/view/carlsen-beats-nakamura-18-9-wins-2017-speed-chess-championship

CaseyViator

Jul 17, 2022

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#35

Of course Carlsen is better than Naka, even Caruana or Nepo are better than Nakamura lol

llama36

Jul 17, 2022

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#36

Kotshmot wrote:

Also do you consider Abdusattorov a better rapid player than Nakamura after winning the rapid World championship?

Umm... yes? Why not?

I mean, I haven't seen the games. Maybe he won in a way that people will say he's not the favorite to win again in the future. I don't know the circumstances.

Kotshmot

Jul 17, 2022

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#37

nMsALpg wrote:

Kotshmot wrote:

Also do you consider Abdusattorov a better rapid player than Nakamura after winning the rapid World championship?

Umm... yes? Why not?

I mean, I haven't seen the games. Maybe he won in a way that people will say he's not the favorite to win again in the future. I don't know the circumstances.

"Why not"

Because its one competition and Nakamuras performance in rated rapid games with a bigger sample size has been much better. Winning the competition is a very impressive feat and took a great performance, but its simply too small sample size to compare him with other players based on that alone.

llama36

Jul 17, 2022

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#38

Kotshmot wrote:

nMsALpg wrote:

Kotshmot wrote:

Also do you consider Abdusattorov a better rapid player than Nakamura after winning the rapid World championship?

Umm... yes? Why not?

I mean, I haven't seen the games. Maybe he won in a way that people will say he's not the favorite to win again in the future. I don't know the circumstances.

"Why not"

Because its one competition and Nakamuras performance in rated rapid games with a bigger sample size has been much better. Winning the competition is a very impressive feat and took a great performance, but its simply too small sample size to compare him with other players based on that alone.

Sure, maybe on the average day Nakamura is better. But in an important tournament, when there are many strong players who are taking all the games seriously, it seems Naka is not the best in that situation.

But yeah, maybe on the average day when people are playing casual games online, maybe Naka is the best in that situation.

Nerd-Man

Jul 18, 2022

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#39

Someone deleted his 44th comment here.

DreamscapeHorizons

Jul 18, 2022

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#40

MATTHEWch6v14 wrote:

Yeah, 1 vs 1 Magnus is probably the best. But in arenas and overall strength, I don`t know. Hikaru won that 50k dollar bullet tournament (for the first place prize) big time.

Was Magnus in it?