Is it just me or chess isn't the same anymore?

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OmarVahidov
Jenium wrote:
OmarVahidov wrote:

My experience is a different one:

"it wasn't really fun to watch them."

Actually, I found the match to be more interesting to watch. Unlike the Magnus games, in the Ding-Gukesh match the outcome wasn't clear. Besides, they played a lot of different openings (even the French) which in my opinion was more fun than watching the Berlin or the Petroff game after game.

"And after Magnus said that he withdraws from being the World Champion, chess started getting boring"

I hear you. But that's just a phase. After Kaparov lost to Kramnik there was also a decade with several players (Anand, Kramnik, Topalov) being equally strong... Wait a few more years and one of these Indian kids will emerge as the clear #1.

"everything is getting faster, most people aren't patient enough to watch the whole classic game, so I think Chess could also get a little faster and rapid could become the main time control."

The WC still generated more interest than other formats. And there are already plenty of rapid and blitz events.

"As a professional, it's not boring for me to watch classic chess, because I can see what they're trying to do,"

Uhm... Professional? According to your FIDE page you're rated 1550, no?

1. I've played only one classical tournament.

2. Unlike in other countries, there are some nations where it is very hard to gain elo, because chess players here are very strong. For example, my Romanian friend is in the same level with me, but while he has 1900+ rapid elo, mine is only 1600.

3. Chess isn't even my main thing, so I don't really care about my elo at the moment. If I take it serious, I'd be 2200+ for all time controls on chess.com, and probably 1800+ FIDE in a few months.

Just like how I was a 1700 a while ago, then I took it serious and reached 2140+ bullet easily.

MaetsNori
OmarVahidov wrote:

Cheating isn't a big problem at the moment, but in a few years, it will be.

You should've seen how rampant cheating was online in the late 90s / early 2000s ... (I'm looking at you, Yahoo Chess!)

Jenium
OmarVahidov wrote:
Jenium wrote:
OmarVahidov wrote:

My experience is a different one:

"it wasn't really fun to watch them."

Actually, I found the match to be more interesting to watch. Unlike the Magnus games, in the Ding-Gukesh match the outcome wasn't clear. Besides, they played a lot of different openings (even the French) which in my opinion was more fun than watching the Berlin or the Petroff game after game.

"And after Magnus said that he withdraws from being the World Champion, chess started getting boring"

I hear you. But that's just a phase. After Kaparov lost to Kramnik there was also a decade with several players (Anand, Kramnik, Topalov) being equally strong... Wait a few more years and one of these Indian kids will emerge as the clear #1.

"everything is getting faster, most people aren't patient enough to watch the whole classic game, so I think Chess could also get a little faster and rapid could become the main time control."

The WC still generated more interest than other formats. And there are already plenty of rapid and blitz events.

"As a professional, it's not boring for me to watch classic chess, because I can see what they're trying to do,"

Uhm... Professional? According to your FIDE page you're rated 1550, no?

1. I've played only one classical tournament.

2. Unlike in other countries, there are some nations where it is very hard to gain elo, because chess players here are very strong. For example, my Romanian friend is in the same level with me, but while he has 1900+ rapid elo, mine is only 1600.

3. Chess isn't even my main thing, so I don't really care about my elo at the moment. If I take it serious, I'd be 2200+ for all time controls on chess.com, and probably 1800+ FIDE in a few months.

Just like how I was a 1700 a while ago, then I took it serious and reached 2140+ bullet easily.

I see, I guess you mean that you play competitive chess. "Professional" usually refers to strong players (mainly GMs) making a living out of chess. Anyway, good luck on your journey.

OmarVahidov
Jenium wrote:
OmarVahidov wrote:
Jenium wrote:
OmarVahidov wrote:

My experience is a different one:

"it wasn't really fun to watch them."

Actually, I found the match to be more interesting to watch. Unlike the Magnus games, in the Ding-Gukesh match the outcome wasn't clear. Besides, they played a lot of different openings (even the French) which in my opinion was more fun than watching the Berlin or the Petroff game after game.

"And after Magnus said that he withdraws from being the World Champion, chess started getting boring"

I hear you. But that's just a phase. After Kaparov lost to Kramnik there was also a decade with several players (Anand, Kramnik, Topalov) being equally strong... Wait a few more years and one of these Indian kids will emerge as the clear #1.

"everything is getting faster, most people aren't patient enough to watch the whole classic game, so I think Chess could also get a little faster and rapid could become the main time control."

The WC still generated more interest than other formats. And there are already plenty of rapid and blitz events.

"As a professional, it's not boring for me to watch classic chess, because I can see what they're trying to do,"

Uhm... Professional? According to your FIDE page you're rated 1550, no?

1. I've played only one classical tournament.

2. Unlike in other countries, there are some nations where it is very hard to gain elo, because chess players here are very strong. For example, my Romanian friend is in the same level with me, but while he has 1900+ rapid elo, mine is only 1600.

3. Chess isn't even my main thing, so I don't really care about my elo at the moment. If I take it serious, I'd be 2200+ for all time controls on chess.com, and probably 1800+ FIDE in a few months.

Just like how I was a 1700 a while ago, then I took it serious and reached 2140+ bullet easily.

I see, I guess you mean that you play competitive chess. "Professional" usually refers to strong players (mainly GMs) making a living out of chess. Anyway, good luck on your journey.

I've already made some money as a chess coach. It's just that I'm making more money from other things, and they have more perspective than chess (at least in my country's situation).

And I'm planning to start chess coaching again as a 2nd job soon.

Thanks!

Mirahata
OmarVahidov wrote:

Now my inbox is getting bombed by some Indian people's trash talk. Bro didn't even get what I am talking about, he thinks the case was me supporting Ding lmao.

Creating alt accounts to send that kind of messages to my inbox shows how respectful Gukesh fans are.

And the funny part is, I can guess who this guy is.

Well, that guy is dumb and just wanted some attention, not seeing that the forum isn't Ding Liren losing to Gukesh. And might as well, get his eyes a checkup, because he can't even read the forum and plays PUBG all the time.

Mirahata

@Claire_Reynold

StrategicFocus

Oh my I did not know my level can coach. Because an 1800 chess.com/1800 average opponent as stated above is already making money as a chess coach.

OmarVahidov
self_taught_gm wrote:

Oh my I did not know my level can coach. Because an 1800 chess.com/1800 average opponent as stated above is already making money as a chess coach.

Mate you missed the comments that I posted earlier... I'm tired to repeat everything

mikewier

I watched the WC match and found it thrilling. Ding and Liren were roughly evenly matched and so the outcome was never a foregone conclusion.

computers have changed chess style. There are fewer games that have concrete tactical lines, since the top players know to avoid losing to traps in the opening. So there are fewer games in the Fischer/Tal/Kasparov style.

instead, the top GMs play complex maneuvering games—Catalans, Rossolimo Sicilians, b3 English, Italians, etc. These may be harder for average players to understand. But I find them fascinating.

mikewier

Oops. Slip of the mind.

Kotshmot
mikewier wrote:

Oops. Slip of the mind.

It's actually a great way to put it given the fact that Ding has been dealing with his internal battles, which clearly played a big part in the match.

OmarVahidov
Kotshmot wrote:
mikewier wrote:

Oops. Slip of the mind.

It's actually a great way to put it given the fact that Ding has been dealing with his internal battles, which clearly played a big part in the match.

He was just scared to take responsibilities, that's it. Right now he is feeling much better, when he's not a World Champion lol

StrategicFocus
OmarVahidov wrote:
self_taught_gm wrote:

Oh my I did not know my level can coach. Because an 1800 chess.com/1800 average opponent as stated above is already making money as a chess coach.

Mate you missed the comments that I posted earlier... I'm tired to repeat everything

Dude, do not hallucinate that you are a professional. We are all amateurs (so far not unless Nakamura or coach Ramesh comments ) here in the thread.

OmarVahidov
self_taught_gm wrote:
OmarVahidov wrote:
self_taught_gm wrote:

Oh my I did not know my level can coach. Because an 1800 chess.com/1800 average opponent as stated above is already making money as a chess coach.

Mate you missed the comments that I posted earlier... I'm tired to repeat everything

Dude, do not hallucinate that you are a professional. We are all amateurs here in the thread.

I'll just have to ignore you, because you're not even reading what I already wrote about it. Sorry.

You can stay an amateur if you want. 🤷‍♂️

StrategicFocus
OmarVahidov wrote:
self_taught_gm wrote:
OmarVahidov wrote:
self_taught_gm wrote:

Oh my I did not know my level can coach. Because an 1800 chess.com/1800 average opponent as stated above is already making money as a chess coach.

Mate you missed the comments that I posted earlier... I'm tired to repeat everything

Dude, do not hallucinate that you are a professional. We are all amateurs here in the thread.

I'll just have to ignore you, because you're not even reading what I already wrote about it. Sorry.

You can stay an amateur if you want. 🤷‍♂️

Of course I am reading. You as a professional chessman you find Ding-Gukesh boring. Stop hallucinating. That is my friendly advice. Yes you are correct I am an amateur that plays very much better than you. Kind regards.

OmarVahidov
self_taught_gm wrote:
OmarVahidov wrote:
self_taught_gm wrote:
OmarVahidov wrote:
self_taught_gm wrote:

Oh my I did not know my level can coach. Because an 1800 chess.com/1800 average opponent as stated above is already making money as a chess coach.

Mate you missed the comments that I posted earlier... I'm tired to repeat everything

Dude, do not hallucinate that you are a professional. We are all amateurs here in the thread.

I'll just have to ignore you, because you're not even reading what I already wrote about it. Sorry.

You can stay an amateur if you want. 🤷‍♂️

Of course I am reading. You as a professional chessman you find Ding-Gukesh boring. Stop hallucinating. That is my friendly advice. Yes you are correct I am an amateur that plays very much better than you. Kind regards.

<3

StrategicFocus

Of course I am reading. You as a professional chessman you find Ding-Gukesh boring. Stop hallucinating. That is my friendly advice. Yes you are correct I am an amateur that plays very much better than you. Kind regards. <4

TurtleLearnChess
OmarVahidov wrote:

I remember watching Magnus vs Nepo match. I watched all 14 games live. I also watched the longest game which lasted hours, and even though I wasn't that good at chess at the time, it was fun to watch all that 14 games.

But to be honest, I only watched 2 or 3 games of Ding vs Gukesh. What I mean by "watched" is just analyzing the game after it ends, usually I was just checking the result and not even taking a look at the game. The reason is simple, it wasn't really fun to watch them.


Of course that wasn't going to be fun, because Ding Liren was stressed and depressed for no reason and for me, watching Gukesh isn't fun. His play style is very boring to me. None of them played that strong. If we say Fabiano or Nepo in the finals, not much would change, but at least I'd watch all the games because that would be fun. Nepo/Caruana are legendary players and it's always fun to watch them, unlike Gukesh.

I just saw Gukesh win the World Champion title and my reaction was like "Oh, well, good job" and nothing else. Believe it or not, chess is slowly dying and I know only one person who could bring back chess... That name is Magnus. 

After Magnus stopped playing and after he withdrew from World Championship, chess changed a lot. Seeing Gukesh and Ding in the world's biggest chess competition is also one of the signs saying that chess is dying.

And here are all the reasons why chess started dying:

- Classic time control started to get boring...

As a professional, it's not boring for me to watch classic chess, because I can see what they're trying to do, or at least I can understand something. I can guess most of the moves and I calculate the deep Grandmaster positions, which might be fun. But for non-professionals, it's not the same. They just watch the game and don't understand anything, and classic games last hours, so only professionals can enjoy classic chess. "It is the same for rapid" - no it isn't, because rapid games aren't going as deep as classic games and rapid is much faster, so it's more enjoyable to watch, for non-professionals. Also, the world is getting modern, everything is getting faster, most people aren't patient enough to watch the whole classic game, so I think Chess could also get a little faster and rapid could become the main time control.

- Magnus stopped playing...

Sounds like that is not related with chess getting boring, but it really is. Magnus has a unique playing style, everyone enjoys watching his games. Some people doesn't even watch his games, but just like him as a personality, he is the real GOAT of chess. And after Magnus said that he withdraws from being the World Champion, chess started getting boring as Liren became the World Champion. Don't get me wrong, Liren is also a very strong player, but he became very depressive, so everyone knew whoever wins Candidates tournament can easily defeat Liren and become the World Champion. Which is the reason why it wasn't fun to watch it. Nobody was rooting for anyone. Most people were like "I want Liren to win because I don't know who Gukesh is". But it wasn't the same when Magnus and Nepo was playing each other.

- Cheaters...

Cheating at chess gets easier every day. They find many methods, and it's the same for both online and OTB tournaments, which is slowly ruining chess. In a few years, it would be almost impossible to stop cheaters. A few years ago there weren't as much cheaters as today.

- There are no GOATs left...

May be one of the main reasons why chess used to be fun was that we had favorite chess players. I can't imagine how happy I was when I took a photo with Fabiano. I remember I had a few favorite chess players. Magnus, Nepo, Fabiano... Not only them, but there were so many legendary players. I remember how excited people were when they see Magnus and Hikaru/Nepo playing. Richard Rapport, Mamedyarov, Radjabov, Anish Giri, Levon and there were many other legendary players. Where are they now?!

Magnus stopped playing. Hikaru chose fame over chess. Radjabov chose money and politics over chess. Mamedyarov started getting older, Rapport couldn't reach his peak. And all other legends somehow disappeared. They're not the same anymore, which is ruining chess for me, and for most of the chess fans. May be you're a little new to chess and you think "What's wrong with this guy, chess is fun for me" but for me, it used to be 3 times more fun. It was when watching legends play was more fun than just playing bullet.

And to be honest, there are not that strong players left anymore. Nepo is already lost mentally, same for Liren. May be Fabiano can do something, but not sure. May be any other young players such as Nodirbek. But right now, even the World Champion Gukesh isn't fun to watch, and personaly, I don't think he is a legend.


How could chess "revive"?

1 - Magnus should return. 

He quit chess because "Chess got boring" for him and he is true. 

2 - Rapid should be the main time control. 

Classic chess is for real getting boring these days.

3 - Chess sites should find a way to stop cheaters. 

Cheaters are ruining the true chess experience.

4 - Chess sites should get better. 

Lichess is free, not laggy, but full of cheaters and arrogant staff members. Chess.com is laggy, not free and I see more ads than the chess board itself. There should be a new opponent. 


These are all my thoughts about chess getting boring. If you have anything you want to add, or if you don't agree, you can leave a comment because I'd like to know what everyone else think about that. 

Have a nice day!

Hi. Your post is interesting. So are the other's comments.
I haven't finished reading all the comments yet.
I think that indian's players will be stronger in the future, they are young,
and hope they can make the games more exciting.
May be this year is quite not fun.
Thank you again for your post, it give thoughts for newbie like me.

IeJoker

I don't understand how people actually enjoyed watching the gukesh vs ding wcc games... Literally the worst wcc mach I've ever watched

IeJoker

Idk... Ig I expected more from the supposed "best players"